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Thread: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Funny you say that, because I firmly believe that that is a better descriptor for more right policies than left ones.

    I also don't think you can call that evil, more just selfish and that's just part and parcel of human behaviour. We are selfish creatures by nature.
    No there is a difference between being selfish and being evil. There is nothing wrong with looking to ones own interests and benefitting ourselves so long as it is done honorably and ethically. True conservatism as it is defined in modern day America strongly promotes that knowing that it ultimately is to the better benefit of all, even those who don't like it. Selfishness is unwillingness to share with others who are as deserving but sometimes it is necessary in order to achieve a higher goal. Evil is knowingly doing them harm simply because you want to harm them and/or for (the generic) your own benefit and there is rarely justification for that.
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    These poll numbers are so bogus. Getting real tired of this happening to nearly every poll.
    What causes that? The obviously intentional skewing of polls. I've seen it happen in several lately.
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Just as a side note, you can see the results without voting, there is an option for "See Results". Just an FYI for anyone who didn't know.
    Ah okay. I never remember to look for that.
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No there is a difference between being selfish and being evil. There is nothing wrong with looking to ones own interests and benefitting ourselves so long as it is done honorably and ethically. True conservatism as it is defined in modern day America strongly promotes that knowing that it ultimately is to the better benefit of all, even those who don't like it. Selfishness is unwillingness to share with others who are as deserving but sometimes it is necessary in order to achieve a higher goal. Evil is knowingly doing them harm simply because you want to harm them and/or for (the generic) your own benefit and there is rarely justification for that.
    We agree then:

    1. Selfishness and evilness are two different things.
    2. Conservatism isn't evil, it's just selfish (albeit in an honorable manner).
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Everything you said there can easily be turned around and stated about the "right" as well.

    Generally speaking, the “conservative platform” of more individual freedom, smaller government, less government intrusion is just a pack of lies and/or feel-good words.

    Anyone who chooses to do something, or behave in a way that’s not goose-stepping right along with the conservative/religious paradigm is “evil”.
    Anyone who doesn't believe what you believe, and anyone who doesn't act like you act is “evil”.
    Somewhat debatable. While there certainly are some rather intrusive Conservatives out there, most of us would much rather simply isolate ourselves from people with ideas or behaviors we don't like, rather than see them forcibly eliminated.

    The ideological Left, generally speaking, tends to be a bit more proactive.

    Perhaps a working definition of "evil" is required.
    That which causes harm, unnecessary suffering, corruption, or non-beneficial disruption to established order, either to one's self, other people, or society in general.

    Everything I mentioned applies.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Its meant to be a zero sum, bottom line question.

    I don't identify enough with either ideology to cast a vote either way; I generally dislike conservatism more but more often than not wind up feeling every person who has ever existed is evil and that ideology is them showing their most evil side: unrelentingly hypocritical, unfailingly self-serving and self-congratulatory, and all round conceited.

    In my better moments, I try to tell myself no one is evil.
    I started a thread, a week or so ago, in which I asked readers to name one thing they LIKE about the viewpoint held by the party that is most different to their own.

    As you can guess, I got about 3 replies.

    All but the rarest few people in this world have enormously overinflated egos. We all think we're right about everything, we're insufferably inflexible when it comes to our core beliefs.

    For that reason, I think the question you pose is a good one. I do believe each side tends to demonize the other. I do believe we are becoming increasingly polarized as well, to my dismay, which is perplexing considering how much smaller this increasingly interconnected world of ours gets by the day.

    You would think we would figure out how to get along, but the exact opposite seems to be occurring.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What causes that? The obviously intentional skewing of polls. I've seen it happen in several lately.
    Greetings, AlbqOwl.

    I have been advised by the poll itself that I have already voted, if I've forgotten, and voting boxes are disabled for me, so how can hundreds show up on a poll for or against something? We don't get hundreds of different people posting in a week, as far as I can tell, let alone voting on a poll. Since I don't always vote on the polls, it's no big deal, but it is weird!

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, that depends on the situation. But it is often not the best approach.
    Examples of appropriate situations?

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    We agree then:

    1. Selfishness and evilness are two different things.
    2. Conservatism isn't evil, it's just selfish (albeit in an honorable manner).
    I disagree that conservatism is inherently selfish.

    I also disagree that selfishness and evil are two different things. Ego is the root of all evil.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    It's not hard to figure out. You don't have to be logged in to DP to vote in the polls section. So if someone wants to cock up the poll, just log out, vote, clear cookies, repeat.
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