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Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

Well?

  • I'm a liberal: conservatives are evil

    Votes: 2 4.0%

  • I'm a conservative: liberals are evil

    Votes: 3 6.0%

  • I'm a liberal: conservatives aren't evil

    Votes: 20 40.0%

  • I'm a conservative: liberals aren't evil

    Votes: 11 22.0%

  • Ban Morality Games

    Votes: 14 28.0%
  • Total voters
    50
eohrnberger said:
Right, I know that was the question that you were asking, but I don't have an answer on it either.

And I accept your point. It's a good point. The position that I stated isn't counter to the point that you were making. In essence, I don't really support either hate crime or terrorism statutes, as you correctly observe, they are founded in the political, rather than in the legal.

It worries me as well that something such as the terrorism statutes have such vague definitions, and I too see them as being rife for government and prosecutorial abuse.
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OK, that's cool. An area of agreement for a change. :peace
 
Cardinal said:
Anyone who believes that liberalism or conservatism (and adherents to either) is inherently evil needs to go outside and play.

PS. We all know now that the polls are being hacked. It's time to stop making them anonymous.
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Indeed. It stretches belief 17 people would ever vote to ban me.
 
Morality Games said:
Indeed. It stretches belief 17 people would ever vote to ban me.
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I would consider it an honor. I doubt you could find ten people who'd bother to vote me off of here.

Uh...make that fifteen.
 
Morality Games said:
Its meant to be a zero sum, bottom line question.

I don't identify enough with either ideology to cast a vote either way; I generally dislike conservatism more but more often than not wind up feeling every person who has ever existed is evil and that ideology is them showing their most evil side: unrelentingly hypocritical, unfailingly self-serving and self-congratulatory, and all round conceited.

In my better moments, I try to tell myself no one is evil.
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Nice poll. It seems the demonization of the opposing party is pretty one sided.
 
I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that so many liberals think conservatives are evil yet the conservatives realize liberals are not evil.
 
mac said:
Nice poll. It seems the demonization of the opposing party is pretty one sided.
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You can't trust the poll results, Mac. They've been messed with. Reasonable people of both sides realize the other side is not "evil".
 
Anomalism said:
I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that so many liberals think conservatives are evil yet the conservatives realize liberals are not evil.
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The results are not real.
 
X Factor said:
You can't trust the poll results, Mac. They've been messed with. Reasonable people of both sides realize the other side is not "evil".
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Hope you're right. How can it be messed with?
 
Montecresto said:
Hope you're right. How can it be messed with?
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Not sure how it's done. It happens too quickly for someone to be voting over and over. If you see more than about 100-120 votes, it's likely been spammed.
 
Morality Games said:
Its meant to be a zero sum, bottom line question.

I don't identify enough with either ideology to cast a vote either way; I generally dislike conservatism more but more often than not wind up feeling every person who has ever existed is evil and that ideology is them showing their most evil side: unrelentingly hypocritical, unfailingly self-serving and self-congratulatory, and all round conceited.

In my better moments, I try to tell myself no one is evil.
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I *think* I understand the question. If so, my answer would be that the more extreme a person is in their partisanship... and it doesn't matter which side... then yes, they are more prone to view the other side as evil (for lack of a better word). In fact, it's almost come to be expected, lest peer pressure from one's own group rail against them.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Some Nazi soldiers were simply stuck between a rock and a hard place. They had no choice but to follow orders.

That is typical of any militia. Many soldier may disagree with the objective however they can not simply disobey orders.

I am sure there were some Nazi soldiers who were sickened by the atrocities they had to commit. Humans are truly, TRULY, not as black and white as you want to paint them as.
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I wasn't speaking of German soldiers. I was speaking of members of the Nazi Party. The two are not the same.
 
TeleKat said:
What a bull**** generalization to make. There are plenty of compassionate libertarians and conservatives. ...
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I doubt it. Conservatism places far too much importance on personal responsibility. That leaves no room for compassion.
 
faithful_servant said:
Here's the problem with that statement: Are you talking about every German who was a National Socialist Party member, every soldier wearing a German uniform, every German (soldier or not) who adhered to all of the National Socialist Party's beliefs or anyone today who willingly and with full agreement to NAZI beliefs wears NAZI ink??

See, just asking a question that could be interpreted so many ways is simply trying to set me up. Clarify your parameters and we can have a discussion, but I'm not going to get in this game you're trying to play without knowing what the rules are.
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You set the parameters. You said some members of an evil group can be good. How can that be? Doesn't the act of joining mean approval of the group's actions?
 
X Factor said:
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I was wondering who would introduce this fallacy. Sometimes mentioning Nazis is the right thing to do because they're really bad.
 
Joe Steel said:
I doubt it. Conservatism places far too much importance on personal responsibility. That leaves no room for compassion.
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Compassion and personal responsibility only seem incompatible to someone whose only understanding of “compassion” is based on the abuse of government force to take what one person has rightfully earned, and give it to someone who has not earned it.
 
Joe Steel said:
I doubt it. Conservatism places far too much importance on personal responsibility. That leaves no room for compassion.
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Maybe, but too often what liberals think of as compassion really does no favors for those they're wanting to help.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Compassion and personal responsibility only seem incompatible to someone whose only understanding of “compassion” is based on the abuse of government force to take what one person has rightfully earned, and give it to someone who has not earned it.
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Taxes are a properly constituted power of Congress. It's not an abuse of government force.
 
radcen said:
Maybe, but too often what liberals think of as compassion really does no favors for those they're wanting to help.
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We can debate the moral hazard of too much relief for the poor and sick. That debate, however, should occur after they have been removed from imminent danger they face. Conservatives don't want to do that. They just want to cut.
 
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