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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In post #14 you defined "military grade" as meaning full auto. The M16 is not full auto, nore is it issued with large capacity magaziens. The military explicitly forbids use of those magazines, only allowing the standard 30rnd mags. If you want to use 60/100rnd mags in your M16, the military won't let you.


    I'm of the opinion that Artical 1 Section 8 already requires the government to issue an M16 to every able-bodied male between ages 18-41 since according to Title-10 USC that's who's in the unorganized militia.
    By large capacity I meant 30rd. And yes the m-16 is full-auto, Wikipedia: "The M16 rifle, officially designated Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16, is the United States military select-fire adaptation of the AR-15 rifle. The rifle was adapted for semi-automatic and full-automatic fire." The M-16 is a ful-auto capable AR-15. That is the only intrinsic difference between the two. Yes I agree that government should issue rifles to the unorganized militia. But it shouldn't be the federal government, ideally it would be a county level thing.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Silly.

    We have the most powerful military in the world and its all volunteers.

    If your'e trying to make the point that we should be isolationist then just make that point.
    Not isolationist, just non-interventionist.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This is SLIGHTLY debatable.....but not by much. Political hackery at its finest here folks.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That canard again.

    isolationism definition

    The doctrine that a nation should stay out of the disputes and affairs of other nations. The United States practiced a policy of isolationism until World War I and did not pursue an active international policy until after World War II. ( See “ entangling alliances with none.”)

    The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
    I don't have a problem with isolationism, as long as it includes not only no interference militarily, but also includes no economic interference which means no aid at all, no medical interference which means no medical aid, no interference in any way, shape or form.......none. It also, as far as I am concerned, means no outsourcing of jobs to other countries, no immigration from other countries, no trade with other countries....want to be isolationist then do so totally, not picking and choosing and just limiting it to the military.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body like Switzerland has? As in every able-bodied adult (except for conscientious objectors) owns and knows how to use a military grade rifle and advanced weaponry is under local civillian control.
    The only reason Switzerland can afford to do that is because they're a land-locked country surrounded by many countries with actual militaries and plenty of treaties to keep them protected. It is absolutely impractical for a large country and no, I have no interest in going to drill once a month.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    By large capacity I meant 30rd.
    Army FM 3-22.9 specifies that the battle load for an M16/M4 is "210rnds total, 7 magaziens of 30rnds each." 30rnd mags are standard, not large capacity. Stop believing the media. 10rnd mags for the M4/16 aren't even an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    And yes the m-16 is full-auto, Wikipedia: "The M16 rifle, officially designated Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16, is the United States military select-fire adaptation of the AR-15 rifle. The rifle was adapted for semi-automatic and full-automatic fire." The M-16 is a ful-auto capable AR-15. That is the only intrinsic difference between the two. Yes I agree that government should issue rifles to the unorganized militia. But it shouldn't be the federal government, ideally it would be a county level thing.
    Wikipedia isn't a valid source for anything. I have an M4 issued to me. It is not full-auto. They haven't been full-auto since the middle of the Vietnam war. They have 3 settings: safe, semi & burst (3rnds).
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The only reason Switzerland can afford to do that is because they're a land-locked country surrounded by many countries with actual militaries and plenty of treaties to keep them protected. It is absolutely impractical for a large country and no, I have no interest in going to drill once a month.
    Then you have no interest in living in America.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Then you have no interest in living in America.
    I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I was in the army 7 years with a 15 month afghanistan deployment. I've paid my dues to be american, not that it's a requirement. One does not need to be permanently in the reserves to be an American. Stop with this nonsense hyperbole. You're just trying to bait me into an argument because we both know you're being ridiculous.

    But please, POG, tell me why you're so much more of a true American because you're still in and I'm not.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
    Well it's simple. I was talking about everyone serving, and you didn't like that idea. If you don't want to serve, gtfo. Simple as that.

    And save your attempts at calling people pogs for those who are actually pogs, it helps when the term actualy applies.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well it's simple. I was talking about everyone serving, and you didn't like that idea. If you don't want to serve, gtfo. Simple as that.

    And save your attempts at calling people pogs for those who are actually pogs, it helps when the term actualy applies.
    This is the typical bull**** I expect from you. You know I've already served but you're telling me to GTFO because I'm not a real American like you because I don't support universal conscription. It's actually my bad for responding to your nonsense in the first place. You should GTFO of America if you don't oppose universal conscription. (Since we're arbitrarily conflating our opinion with being a real American)

    And yes, you're not actually combat arms, you were some kind of bull**** construction if I remember correctly, so yes you're a POG. I'm not here to play whose dick is bigger games, so go peddle your nonsense elsewhere. Good bye.
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