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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm changing nothing. You, are wrong about USFP pre 20th century. It's not about what I like, I could give a **** what you believe. But if you give a **** about what American foreign policy was pre military adventurism, then read instead of blowing, understand?
    Again, how am I wrong when I've already shown you a wide array of examples showing your non-interventionist claim to be untrue. We created new countries, invaded others, and pretty much did the same things we've been doing since well... since the founders were around.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the contrary. I'm not interested in books that you keep peddling.
    history can be upsetting for those with a need for it to fit simple narratives.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    history can be upsetting for those with a need for it to fit simple narratives.
    History is written in a plethora of books. One picks and chooses according to ones ideology and bias, what one believes.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Again, how am I wrong when I've already shown you a wide array of examples showing your non-interventionist claim to be untrue. We created new countries, invaded others, and pretty much did the same things we've been doing since well... since the founders were around.
    You've shown me no such thing. I showed you that the twentieth century was the century of US intervention, provocation, military adventurism, interference, imperialism, nation building and exploitation.

    The isolationist point of view was still viable in 1823 when President James Monroe gave voice to what would later be termed the Monroe Doctrine, "In the wars of the European powers, in matters relating to themselves, we have never taken part, nor does it comport with our policy, so to do."

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You've shown me no such thing
    US-Mexican war over Texas.
    Creation of Liberia.
    50 years of foreign intervention in China.
    Monroe Doctrine in Latin America

    The list goes on, you ignoring it doesn't change that.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    US-Mexican war over Texas.
    Creation of Liberia.
    50 years of foreign intervention in China.
    Monroe Doctrine in Latin America

    The list goes on, you ignoring it doesn't change that.
    You've been corrected on this repeatedly.

    The United States hasn�t always been imperialistic. Out of the United States� 230 years as a country, it has only been within the last 100 years it has practiced imperialism. This is due in part of the infancy of the U.S. as a nation. The U.S. maintained a policy of isolationism until the late 19th century. In the late 19th century, the U.S. began to become a major player in international trade and the arena of world affairs and therefore needed more �breathing room�

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You've been corrected on this repeatedly.

    The United States hasn�t always been imperialistic. Out of the United States� 230 years as a country, it has only been within the last 100 years it has practiced imperialism. This is due in part of the infancy of the U.S. as a nation. The U.S. maintained a policy of isolationism until the late 19th century. In the late 19th century, the U.S. began to become a major player in international trade and the arena of world affairs and therefore needed more �breathing room�

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    Good grief, I don't care what your long blog post has to say on the matter. I'm asking you about specific examples where we CLEARLY weren't isolationists. Our history in China in the 19th century covers 50 years of policies that clearly weren't isolationist. The Monroe Doctrine clearly wasn't isolationist. The creation of Liberia and our intervention in Mexico clearly weren't isolationist. So I'll ask again: What are you talking about?
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good grief, I don't care what your long blog post has to say on the matter. I'm asking you about specific examples where we CLEARLY weren't isolationists. Our history in China in the 19th century covers 50 years of policies that clearly weren't isolationist. The Monroe Doctrine clearly wasn't isolationist. The creation of Liberia and our intervention in Mexico clearly weren't isolationist. So I'll ask again: What are you talking about?
    Stop being so haughty and actually read something dude, and you'll have less questions. See what scholars have said.

    The scholarly literature on isolationism began in 1924 with J. Fred Rippy and Angie Debo's essay "The Historical Background of the American Policy of Isolation"

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Isolationism.aspx

    Isolationism or non-interventionism was a tradition in America's foreign policy for its first two centuries.

    Source: Boundless. “Isolationism.” Boundless Political Science. Boundless, 03 Jul. 2014. Retrieved 28 Feb. 2015 from https://www.boundless.com/political-...nism-582-8017/
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Stop being so haughty and actually read something dude, and you'll have less questions. See what scholars have said.
    Encyclopedia and Boundless.... Good grief. those are your scholars? Fine. Here are mine:

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    The Myth of American Isolationism - Braumoeller - 2010 - Foreign Policy Analysis - Wiley Online Library
    Ostrich America? | The American Conservative
    https://books.google.ca/books?id=cDn...ionism&f=false

    Now, do you want to do this right? Because MY scholars actually have works published. Yours seem to hang out at encyclopedia.com.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Encyclopedia and Boundless.... Good grief. those are your scholars? Fine. Here are mine:

    JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
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    The Myth of American Isolationism - Braumoeller - 2010 - Foreign Policy Analysis - Wiley Online Library
    Ostrich America? | The American Conservative
    https://books.google.ca/books?id=cDn...ionism&f=false

    Now, do you want to do this right? Because MY scholars actually have works published. Yours seem to hang out at encyclopedia.com.
    Of course conservatives argue that America has ALWAYS been imperialistic, laugh out loud. Boundless provides textbooks to more than 2,000 colleges in the US. But I wouldn't expect that you'd know this.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 02-28-15 at 10:33 AM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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