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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm qualified in that, and it's 3 days whereas combat medic is ~16 weeks. CLS not even comparable with a Red Cross First Aid certification a child can take, certainly not the Combat Medic MOS.
    I wasn't comparing it to combat medic. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? CLS WAS 2 weeks last time I took it. The refresher course was 3 days.

    My point, which apparently went over your head, is that when IVs were taught, and needle decompression....these are techniques NOT TAUGHT to EMTs in many states. The overall point is that no, civilian jobs and MOS training are not always the same or even close.

    Let's go further...an EMT cannot do what a 68W is authorized to do (depending on the state) and therefore is not sufficient.


    They stopped teaching IVs a few years ago because CLS soldiers were giving people heart attacks. CLS is nothing more than tension pneumothorax, finding and plugging holes, immobilizing limbs, and clearing the airway.
    And you're missing the point.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right, active duty National Guard: Active Guard Reserve (AGR) Reserve Jobs | goarmy.com

    This thread is about militia. The regular Army is not militia. The National Guard is militia.
    Let's go back to what was said:
    Thrilla wrote "I said they lack professional training... as in there is a deficiency of professional training compared to that of full time sevicemembers who live and breathe training each and every day of their career." Clearly referring to ACTIVE DUTY members, not AGR.

    You replied "Full-timers do not train every single day. I know the media tells you soldiers wake up at zero-freedom-thirty, run 200 miles in 30 seconds, have a bowl of liberty and go kill terrorists all day, but that's not the real world. Having a full-time military job is 90% like having a regular civilian job with a uniform. Full timers get little to no more training than part-timers." there is no way to read that as applying only to AGR.

    Not is there any way of knowing that "If you're a full-timer, you work Tuesday through Friday, 08:00-16:30, and unless you're a pencil pusher you'll spend about half that time actually doing your job." was referring to AGR.

    But in any case, since you're talking about REPLACING active duty with National Guard, you have to compare the two.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    [QUOTE=Jerry;1064364247]Right, active duty National Guard: Active Guard Reserve (AGR) Reserve Jobs | goarmy.com

    This thread is about militia. The regular Army is not militia. The National Guard is militia. The Air Force is not militia. The Air Guard is militia. The Marine Corps is not militia. The Navy is not militia. The reguler military is always going to have and do more than the militia. That's the way it's always been, that's the way it always will be.
    But you've been denying that! You've been claiming that pure National Guard would be just as capable as regular military.

    The claim was made that militia receive no training, non at all, and that militia members are not professionals. That is the claim I'm arguing against, and so if you're arguing against me then you are also claiming that militia receive no training and are not professionals.
    No, the claim was made that National Guard do NOT receive the same level of continuous training as Active Duty. Which they don't. No one said they received no training at all. It was correctly stated that training goes far beyond Basic and AIT. I learned most of my skills OJT as reality is a lot different than the schoolhouse.

    You're being extremely deceptive if you're claiming that when others have been referring to "full timers" they meant AGR and not Active duty military.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Let's go back to what was said:
    Thrilla wrote "I said they lack professional training... as in there is a deficiency of professional training compared to that of full time sevicemembers who live and breathe training each and every day of their career." Clearly referring to ACTIVE DUTY members, not AGR.
    "Active duty" does not mean "regular Army" because Army reserves are not active duty but are still regular Army. "Active duty" simply referrs to the literal minimum number of hours they log in a given week. "Active duty" does not describe what kind of branch they're in.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    You replied "Full-timers do not train every single day. I know the media tells you soldiers wake up at zero-freedom-thirty, run 200 miles in 30 seconds, have a bowl of liberty and go kill terrorists all day, but that's not the real world. Having a full-time military job is 90% like having a regular civilian job with a uniform. Full timers get little to no more training than part-timers." there is no way to read that as applying only to AGR.
    Active duty National Guard work 4 days per week and do not put in the level of training that active duty reguler Army does.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    But in any case, since you're talking about REPLACING active duty [regular Army] with National Guard, you have to compare the two.
    Not to combat the claim that was made. No comparisons at all, of any kind, need to be made in order to combat the claim that militia receive no training and are not professionals.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You don't pay, attend to, offer continuing employment and medical coverage to slaves.
    Actually slaves can be paid and they can be provided medical treatment by their owners.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Dammnit...I'm getting old...it was a typo...I never said 68W, I meant "combat lifesaver training" which any MOS can take (and I did say any MOS). "Medic" came out instead. I just blanked on the name for some reason.

    My point was that in CLS training we were taught how to put in a saline lock and perform a needle decompression to treat pneumothorax; neither of which can be performed by EMTs in some states.
    Just a fair warning. This is Jerry's M.O. He hones in on completely insignificant things that have no relevance to the topic then baits you into arguing about it. I can already summarize his opinion for you: "If you're not a hardcore national guard POG like me you can get the **** out of America because you're not a real American! Hooah!"

    Glad to see 99% of DP doesn't want our military watered down with worthless low lives who don't want to be there. You know, more than it already is.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually slaves can be paid and they can be provided medical treatment by their owners.
    Well its a good thing we are not talking about slaves.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Well its a good thing we are not talking about slaves.
    Forcing everyone to fight and kill for you is slavery.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    the founders had no problem with a standing army, at that time they believed it should consist of about 25,000 to 30,000 men only.

    if is impossible to have a citizen army only with modern weapons, training must constantly be done.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    But you've been denying that! You've been claiming that pure National Guard would be just as capable as regular military.
    You thought I was talking about the Guard because you and I had different definitions of "active duty". When I said "active duty" you thought I was talking about the regular Army, when in fact I was talking about active duty Guard.

    When I was in Afghanistan I was "active duty" and I was still militia, not regular Army. "Active duty" does not mean "regular Army", it only means how many hours you log in a day, it says nothing about what kind of branch you're in.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    No, the claim was made that National Guard do NOT receive the same level of continuous training as Active Duty[regular Army].
    I don't doubt that for a second. Part time Guard recieve all the same combat and MOS training as full-time Guard. Guard receives less training than the regular Army. The Army receives less combat training than the Marine Corps.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    You're being extremely deceptive if you're claiming that when others have been referring to "full timers" they meant AGR and not Active duty military.
    We call the core NCOs and the Capitan "full timers", those same people who work a 4-day week.

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