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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    are you speaking of the national guard and armed forces reserves?
    If you don't know which of those is the militia, you should probably learn a few things about this topic before posting further.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That canard again.

    isolationism definition

    The doctrine that a nation should stay out of the disputes and affairs of other nations. The United States practiced a policy of isolationism until World War I and did not pursue an active international policy until after World War II. ( See “ entangling alliances with none.”)

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    Hey, can you tell me what you base this claim on? It can't possibly be military intervention. Around 20 years before WWI we got involved in Cuba and fought a whole war over another nation's affairs. That's just off the top of my head. However, the US sent out military expeditions quite regularly to protect US interests abroad. We also deposed entire kingdoms (Hawaii) and fought off an entire rebellion in China (Boxer Rebellion). So I'm not sure what you're basing your claim off. The US has never engaged in the type of isolationism you're discussing.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hey, can you tell me what you base this claim on? It can't possibly be military intervention. Around 20 years before WWI we got involved in Cuba and fought a whole war over another nation's affairs. That's just off the top of my head. However, the US sent out military expeditions quite regularly to protect US interests abroad. We also deposed entire kingdoms (Hawaii) and fought off an entire rebellion in China (Boxer Rebellion). So I'm not sure what you're basing your claim off. The US has never engaged in the type of isolationism you're discussing.
    People should feel the consequences of their vote. If you elect a warmonger, you should personally serve in his campaign. Now if you believe in a conflict and elect someone to execute it, then you should have no problem carrying out that mission yourself.

    When the people get tired of missing their families, these wars will stop.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    People should feel the consequences of their vote. If you elect a warmonger, you should personally serve in his campaign. Now if you believe in a conflict and elect someone to execute it, then you should have no problem carrying out that mission yourself.

    When the people get tired of missing their families, these wars will stop.
    Yeah... I see a few problems with that. For one, it would require the ballot to be... not so secret. The ramifications of not having a secret ballot are quite a few degrees more important than what you feel should happen to people who "elect" warmongers.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yeah... I see a few problems with that. For one, it would require the ballot to be... not so secret. The ramifications of not having a secret ballot are quite a few degrees more important than what you feel should happen to people who "elect" warmongers.
    "You" as a people, not "you" as an individual. A lot more people voted for Obama than actually carried out his war efforts. I think if the average joe had to go to Afghanistan that we would have been out of there a long time ago.

    I think if the typical voter had to worry about being sent to Iraq, they would have a stronger opinion on the president's intentions to return there, also.
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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you don't know which of those is the militia, you should probably learn a few things about this topic before posting further.
    ok Haymarket.. I know now not to ask you any simple questions about what you, yourself, are referring to..

    in any event, it's ****ing ignorant to argue the training and martial acumen of full time professional servicemembers is rivaled by that of the militia... it's not... not by a long shot.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ok Haymarket.. I know now not to ask you any simple questions about what you, yourself, are referring to..
    Knowing that the national guard is the militia is basic information you should posses before saying something truly ignorant like the militia have no training. A term in the militia begins with attending Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    in any event, it's ****ing ignorant to argue the training and martial acumen of full time professional servicemembers is rivaled by that of the militia... it's not... not by a long shot.
    Since the militia has real jobs while not training, we're usually better than the full-timers.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Knowing that the national guard is the militia is basic information you should posses before saying something truly ignorant like the militia have no training. A term in the militia begins with attending Basic Combat Training and Advanced Individual Training.
    learn to read, I didn't say they had no training... I said they lack professional training... as in there is a deficiency of professional training compared to that of full time sevicemembers who live and breathe training each and every day of their career.

    basic training is just that.. basic.... the bulk of the professional warriors training is not found in basic training, AIT, BCT, or even in MOS specific schools... the bulk comes in practical and repetitive application of basic and advanced techniques under the constant tutelage of experienced professional warfighters and support personnel...
    like in any other field, school get you in the door, but lengthy and comprehensive OJT makes you a professional.


    Since the militia has real jobs while not training, we're usually better than the full-timers.
    ahhh.. now i see why you're hostile.. you think you're under attack and feel the need to feign superiority as a defense mechanism.... relax, you're not under attack.

    how does holding down a "real job" while not training make you guys better?.. can you explain that notion to me?

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I said they lack professional training... as in there is a deficiency of professional training compared to that of full time sevicemembers who live and breathe training each and every day of their career.
    Full-timers do not train every single day. I know the media tells you soldiers wake up at zero-freedom-thirty, run 200 miles in 30 seconds, have a bowl of liberty and go kill terrorists all day, but that's not the real world. Having a full-time military job is 90% like having a regular civilian job with a uniform. Full timers get little to no more training than part-timers.

    Yes, militia receive professional training. 6 months worth at the beginning, 2 weeks per year, and a weekend per month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    basic training is just that.. basic.... the bulk of the professional warriors training is not found in basic training, AIT, BCT, or even in MOS specific schools... the bulk comes in practical and repetitive application of basic and advanced techniques under the constant tutelage of experienced professional warfighters and support personnel...
    like in any other field, school get you in the door, but lengthy and comprehensive OJT makes you a professional.
    That is the single most asinine thing I've ever seen you post. You truly have no knowledge on the topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how does holding down a "real job" while not training make you guys better?.. can you explain that notion to me?
    It's literally a greater number of actual hours performing the job, and to a higher standard. If you're a full-timer, you work Tuesday through Friday, 08:00-16:30, and unless you're a pencil pusher you'll spend about half that time actually doing your job. You'll spend the other half performing "other duties as required" like picking up garbage. Whereas if you have a civilian job, you work sun-up to sun-down 5,6,7 days per week, and all of that time is spent doing your actual job. You also have to perform to a higher standard because your employer has money on the line whereas the government fosters a culture of apathy.

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    Re: Who thinks the US military should be replaced with a citizen defensive body?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not my musket...
    That's all you're allowed to have under the 2nd Amendment.
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