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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    demand increased more rapidly than supply as the world sought out security over return.
    That's right which goes to show you that printing money does not necessarily result in a decline in value. There are other factors involved.

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    never mind. I guess two possible drivers is too complicated for some
    Actually there are a number of factors which have contributed to the dollar's strength despite the QE and TARP. These include:

    1. Banks hoarding the money
    2. The yen carry trade. Big investors borrow yen at a low rate. They convert it to dollars to buy U.S. Treasuries and profit from the spread. The result is an increase in demand for dollars.
    3. The China carry trade (for lack of a better term). What I mean is that big investors borrow dollars at a low rate and invest in Chinese infrastructure projects and property and profit on the spread. The result is an increase in demand for dollars. The same happens with other emerging markets as well.

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The principal funds collected from bond purchases are used in order to fund deficit spending, whilst simultaneously guaranteeing the investor his money back in its entirety. Thus, economic growth can and does occur without the theft of another's capital or detrimental effect on an unrelated sector of the economy.
    Yes, essentially when the U.S. government needs money it prints up some treasuries, takes them to the Federal Reserve who buys them and credits the government's account. However, that process can have a detrimental effect IF the money that banks use to buy the bonds from the Fed would have been used for something else.

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    demand increased more rapidly than supply as the world sought out security over return. It's the same reason our public debts' interest rates went down even as issuance skyrocketed.
    The World did not seek security. The Fed bought most of those treasuries. The point was that $7 Trillion is a huge increase in supply. I think you should do some homework on the Exchange Stabilization Fund and the Plunge Protection Team and then get back to me. It will not take you long to become aware that huge manipulation is occuring in US markets. All ETFs are bogus and naked short sales control those markets. Very large naked short sales.. The Justice Dept is investigationg it as we speak, but they will not find anything because it is all a part of Full Spectrum Dominance on the economic front. I'm not talking conspiracy but facts you can check. Anybody doing business is conspiring to make a profit and that is business in the USA. When you are done with your homework you will realize that supply and demand fundamentals have become a sham.

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    LOL @ naked shorts! First they came out with BOOTY shorts. Now they got NAKED shorts!!!

    Lawdy!!!! What is the world coming to!!!!

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Yep, dem thar Wall Street slickers be trying to get into dem naked shorts! Shame!!!

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You forgot that progressives are all about Federal power, and a lot of the stuff you listed isn't built or controlled by that. The other thing is you want too much federal power, it's like a crutch for insecure people who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Well this country wasn't built by sissies, but it is being torn down by them. I'm sick of the build up of federal power that doesn't do this country a bit of good, except for those progressives that can't make it on their own.
    The power of the government needs to be only sufficient to ensure free enterprise and free elections. Government needs to be big enough and powerful enough to keep the corporations and the corporatists in check.....

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You forgot that progressives are all about Federal power, and a lot of the stuff you listed isn't built or controlled by that. The other thing is you want too much federal power, it's like a crutch for insecure people who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Well this country wasn't built by sissies, but it is being torn down by them. I'm sick of the build up of federal power that doesn't do this country a bit of good, except for those progressives that can't make it on their own.
    That response sounds like a sissy. What's the matter, you can't make it with a government that doesn't allow people to cheat, steal, rob, and abuse others. Are you and your buddies such big sissies that the only way that they can make it is to cheat, rob, steal and abuse others? What's the matter, you can't make it the right way through honesty and justice? What a pathetic response.

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    What some really want to do is that in the guise of limiting government power, they want to make it such that they can continue to cheat, rob, steal, and abuse others. Yep, that crowd doesn't want the government to regulate banks so that they can be free to take people's money, invest it in ways that enrich themselves personally and then burn the people whose money that they have invested in their crooked schemes. Yep, that crowd does not want the government to regulate how much they can pollute the environment such that they can be free to enrich themselves by totally disregarding the environmental destruction that their pollution produces. Yep, that crowd doesn't want the government to say you have to pay workers a living wage so that they can be free to exploit workers to the maximum extent possible so that they can enrich themselves by the labor of others. Yep, that crowd does not want the government to say you cannot abuse employees so that they can be free to do things like taking advantage of women by demanding sexual favors in return for career advancement.

    Yep, such people are the real sissies because they can't make it the right way, rather all that they have are their crooked schemes and deceit.

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    Re: Does governnent spending produce economic growth?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That response sounds like a sissy. What's the matter, you can't make it with a government that doesn't allow people to cheat, steal, rob, and abuse others. Are you and your buddies such big sissies that the only way that they can make it is to cheat, rob, steal and abuse others? What's the matter, you can't make it the right way through honesty and justice? What a pathetic response.
    No, I work for a living, you should try it. And stop feeling guilty.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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