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    Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    It appears that Porshenko lied about Ukrainian troops not being surrounded at Debaltseve during peace talks

    Two days after the belligerent parties in eastern Ukraine were supposed to suspend fighting, the truce is not holding. The agreement sealed last Thursday has hit the first of several predictable snags: Kiev refuses to recognize that a large number of its troops are encircled near the railroad junction of Debaltseve, and fighting rages on as these troops try to break out. Although both sides are guilty of violating the cease-fire, responsibility for preserving it is now in the hands of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.
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    There are plenty of authoritative Western press reports (here's one from The New York Times and one from The Wall Street Journal), as well as Ukrainian reports citing military sources in the area, confirming that a sizable Ukrainian contingent -- up to 8,000 troops -- has been encircled by separatist forces.
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    The matter came up during the cease-fire talks in Minsk, but Poroshenko adamantly denied the problem existed. Coming out of the marathon negotiations, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered military experts to figure out what was going on. Whatever they reported back, and whatever other orders Putin may have given, the Ukrainian troops clearly never ceased in their efforts to fight out of the "cauldron", and the rebels -- possibly aided by Russian soldiers -- remained similarly stubborn in keeping them sealed in.
    Ukraine's President Is Trapped With His Troops - Bloomberg View

    Perhaps he did it to make it appear that the separatists were violating the ceasefire

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the fighting was inevitable after Poroshenko’s insistence at last week’s peace negotiations that the troops were not surrounded.
    Rout has Ukraine pleading for peacekeepers - The Washington Post

    Regardless, it appears that the situation left Ukrainian troops demoralized and perturbed at the Ukrainian leadership

    But for many, the retreat was also a huge embarrassment — and the tipping point over frustrations with military commanders who the soldiers believe bungled the siege.

    “The Russians are coming, and this is my Ukraine — Ukraine or die,” said Trukhan, a sniper with the Lviv battalion. “But our commanders abandoned us. And the Ukrainian media were repeating what they were saying in Kiev — that we had everything, that we weren’t surrounded. It was all lies.”

    The collective frustrations of the more than 1,000 troops who flooded Artemivsk on Wednesday could have serious consequences for the Ukrainian military as the fight against pro-Russian separatists wears on — something almost all of them believe will happen.
    Ukrainian battalion

    So did Poroshenko deliberately lie about the situation in Debaltseve? Did he allow his troops to be killed and humiliated to try to embarrass the rebels? If so, that is troubling indeed.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    I don't trust anyone in that country, all are liars. This government is supported by parties no decent government should be supported by. The separatists are supported by troops that should not be there.

    They killed hundreds of my country men and I dislike all of them, each and every one and I trust them as far as I can throw (and I have a bad back so that is not very far at all).
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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It appears that Porshenko lied about Ukrainian troops not being surrounded at Debaltseve during peace talks



    Ukraine's President Is Trapped With His Troops - Bloomberg View

    Perhaps he did it to make it appear that the separatists were violating the ceasefire



    Rout has Ukraine pleading for peacekeepers - The Washington Post

    Regardless, it appears that the situation left Ukrainian troops demoralized and perturbed at the Ukrainian leadership



    Ukrainian battalion

    So did Poroshenko deliberately lie about the situation in Debaltseve? Did he allow his troops to be killed and humiliated to try to embarrass the rebels? If so, that is troubling indeed.
    Yes. He, Poroshenko, clearly lied. Many Ukrainians think he is afraid of the Kiev Nazi Mafia. The same people that provided the muscle for the Maidan and perhaps the people responsible for many of the Maidan deaths. He's really going to have to watch his back. The US may find their allies to be a bunch of Nazis, but then, when all you are really after is land, resources, and big bank deals, perhaps that's enough. If so, don't you think Kerry, the CIA/NED and other players should just say it out loud. Cut the charade of liberty, justice and democracy where we have initiated a coup to overthrow a democracy. It must be way more complicated than my pay grade, but since all USA diplomats speak with a forked tongue, maybe it's just a language problem, or a pack of lies, eh?
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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It appears that Porshenko lied about Ukrainian troops not being surrounded at Debaltseve during peace talks



    Ukraine's President Is Trapped With His Troops - Bloomberg View

    Perhaps he did it to make it appear that the separatists were violating the ceasefire



    Rout has Ukraine pleading for peacekeepers - The Washington Post

    Regardless, it appears that the situation left Ukrainian troops demoralized and perturbed at the Ukrainian leadership



    Ukrainian battalion

    So did Poroshenko deliberately lie about the situation in Debaltseve? Did he allow his troops to be killed and humiliated to try to embarrass the rebels? If so, that is troubling indeed.
    There is no way for us to tell, what is really happening. behind the fog of war. Putin is not the only one to have been caught lying, after all.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There is no way for us to tell, what is really happening. behind the fog of war. Putin is not the only one to have been caught lying, after all.
    True,the lies are to draw the west into a confrontation with Russia.
    Lets keep it at sanctions.
    It would be different if Putin tries it in the Baltic's.
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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes. He, Poroshenko, clearly lied. Many Ukrainians think he is afraid of the Kiev Nazi Mafia. The same people that provided the muscle for the Maidan and perhaps the people responsible for many of the Maidan deaths. He's really going to have to watch his back. The US may find their allies to be a bunch of Nazis, but then, when all you are really after is land, resources, and big bank deals, perhaps that's enough. If so, don't you think Kerry, the CIA/NED and other players should just say it out loud. Cut the charade of liberty, justice and democracy where we have initiated a coup to overthrow a democracy. It must be way more complicated than my pay grade, but since all USA diplomats speak with a forked tongue, maybe it's just a language problem, or a pack of lies, eh?
    Well Dave, that's how they do it. Governments didn't just start lying with this Ukraine issue.

    I don't know about that mafia stuff. Maybe. That guy is very wealthy. I'm sure he didn't get it by being Mother Teresa.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well Dave, that's how they do it. Governments didn't just start lying with this Ukraine issue.

    I don't know about that mafia stuff. Maybe. That guy is very wealthy. I'm sure he didn't get it by being Mother Teresa.
    I meant to use "mafia" synonomously with power structure. Could be Church, gov't, Union, Bank, Militants, etc. When did we vote that it was OK for CORPORATE Central Banks to help us take over the World with economic warfare. I must have missed that election, eh?

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I meant to use "mafia" synonomously with power structure. Could be Church, gov't, Union, Bank, Militants, etc. When did we vote that it was OK for CORPORATE Central Banks to help us take over the World with economic warfare. I must have missed that election, eh?
    Me too Dave. Me too. It's really amazing the system these people have created. People think they are empowered by voting, but in reality they have very very little power. Both parties are bought off.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    What? Ukraine lied. Lol, no wonder Putin doesn't care what America thinks.
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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Check this out if you didn't read the all of the stories in first post

    “We left everything in Debaltseve. We just came out with the clothes on our backs,” said Andrushko, shirtless except for a handgun he kept holstered to his chest. A few moments later, he wriggled out of his pants as well, handing them to his friend Volodymyr Trukhan, 29, whose only pair was ruined in the escape.

    Standing in the hotel’s second-floor lobby wearing justhis underwear — and his handgun — Andrushko threw back his shoulders, puffed out his chest and yelled to his friend Roman, who was nursing a concussion: “Who are we?”

    Andrushko and Roman roared in unison: “Lions!” — the symbol of their battalion, also tattooed on Andrushko’s chest.
    Dang!! They were hauling ass out of there in their drawers!

    Damn!!!!

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