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Thread: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What? Ukraine lied. Lol, no wonder Putin doesn't care what America thinks.
    That is troublesome if that guy lied like that and got all those soldiers killed. That is very cold blooded. Man the type of people that are running this world are far out.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Well this is just another mess caused by the neocons. Damn!!! When will the people of this country learn that those folks don't do anything but cause trouble.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    True,the lies are to draw the west into a confrontation with Russia.
    Lets keep it at sanctions.
    It would be different if Putin tries it in the Baltic's.
    Time for NATO -Canada & EU countries to upgrade their military.
    One main question is how to deploy Nato assets in Europe. There should be more in the Eastern countries and fewer in the West.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Even IF Debaltseve was surrounded (no one knows for certain), the rebels violated the Minsk II Accord agreement by continuing to shell the city. The ceasefire went into effect the morning of 14 February 2015. Debaltseve didn't fall until 18 February. During those four days of ceasefire violation, the rebels finished encircling the government forces which they probably hadn't accomplished by the morning of 14 February ... hence the necessity to violate the ceasefire.

    Ukraine Ceasefire Goes Into Effect, but Rebel Leader in Key Town Repudiates Accord


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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Even IF Debaltseve was surrounded (no one knows for certain)
    According to Porenshenko, he knew for certain. Here he is in his own words

    We were asserting and proved: Debaltseve was under our control, there was no encirclement, and our troops left the area in a planned and organized manner with all the heavy weaponry: tanks, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled artillery and vehicles.
    Poroshenko: Russia 'was put to shame' in Debaltseve (VIDEO, TRANSCRIPT)

    But according to this firsthand account from a Ukrainian soldier, it was all a bunch of bulls***.

    “But our commanders abandoned us. And the Ukrainian media were repeating what they were saying in Kiev — that we had everything, that we weren’t surrounded. It was all lies.”
    WOW! The commanders abandoned their troops!!! Damn!!! What kind of crap is that????

    “We left everything in Debaltseve. We just came out with the clothes on our backs,” said Andrushko, shirtless except for a handgun he kept holstered to his chest. A few moments later, he wriggled out of his pants as well, handing them to his friend Volodymyr Trukhan, 29, whose only pair was ruined in the escape.
    Damn!!! Those people were left there and barely escaped with only the clothes on their backs, some even down to only their underwear!!!! Damn!!!

    Nobody knows for sure???? Yeah right.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Nobody knows for sure???? Yeah right.
    I personally think they were surrounded, but either way ... the rebels did not honor the 14 February ceasefire and continued shelling the city until 18 February. If not for this, an orderly garrison surrender would have occurred instead of a chaotic break-out attempt. No unnecessary deaths, and the Minsk II Accord guaranteed an "all for all" prisoner exchange which is already occurring.


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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I personally think they were surrounded, but either way ... the rebels did not honor the 14 February ceasefire and continued shelling the city until 18 February. If not for this, an orderly garrison surrender would have occurred instead of a chaotic break-out attempt. No unnecessary deaths, and the Minsk II Accord guaranteed an "all for all" prisoner exchange which is already occurring.
    Poroshenko deliberately lied about it. He deliberately sacrificed his own soldiers in such a brutal way simply to try to embarrass the rebels. That is beyond disgusting.

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Poroshenko deliberately lied about it. He deliberately sacrificed his own soldiers in such a brutal way simply to try to embarrass the rebels. That is beyond disgusting.
    These things reinforce Putins original legitimacy last year.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Poroshenko deliberately lied about it.
    No one knows precisely what Poroshenko knew and when except the government hierarchy. Debaltseve was indeed a tactical defeat for the government, but it was also a strategic victory in the sense that it moved several Western nations significantly closer to arming Ukraine. Casualties aside, I think the Poroshenko came out ahead here. The rebels obtained a destroyed town. But in the process the world witnessed their ceasefire violations, prisoners will be repatriated, OSCE international monitors are now in the area, and some nations moved several notches closer to arming Ukraine. Whether he controls the rebels or not, Putin takes an international credibility hit here either way.


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    Re: Did Poroshenko lie about troops at Debaltseve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    No one knows precisely what Poroshenko knew and when except the government hierarchy. Debaltseve was indeed a tactical defeat for the government, but it was also a strategic victory in the sense that it moved several Western nations significantly closer to arming Ukraine. Casualties aside, I think the Poroshenko came out ahead here. The rebels obtained a destroyed town. But in the process the world witnessed their ceasefire violations, prisoners will be repatriated, OSCE international monitors are now in the area, and some nations moved several notches closer to arming Ukraine. Whether he controls the rebels or not, Putin takes an international credibility hit here either way.
    Right, because handing someone a loaded weapon and standing behind them with encouragement to fight, is a strategic victory. If things simmered down, which would happen if Ukraine, with Western nudging, would allow the separatists what they want, just as we have supported separatists in so many other regions, the senseless killing and destruction would end, and we'd not be talking about this in a short time. But if Ukraine, with Western nudging is dogmatic in demands for Russian withdrawal from Crimea, and denying the separatists their goal, then all bets are off.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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