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    What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    This being the time of year when many people honor and reflect upon the heritage and contributions of Americans who are black while others lament the concept as being divisive, I thought I pose this question. What's worse: accusing someone of being a racist or actually being a racist? Confession: The question was inspired by a TV interview show I surfed through this morning.

    Although this is a question I've ponder for some time, I've never heard it put so concisely.

    The question assumes the person accusing someone, some group or some practice of racism as well as the person, group or practice of being racist is the personal opinion of the accuser/observer and no trial by jury has occurred to establish proof beyond a reasonable doubt, just like in real life.
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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Too general of a question; depends on the situation and the veracity of the claim...

    For example, I don't have a problem with a racist person who lives alone in the woods secluded from society without the chance to act on his racism. As for accusing someone of being a racist, depends on the context - a lot of the times the person making the claim of racism can themselves also be racist.
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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Other - the accusation of racism is losing it's meaning as everything seems to be racist or motivated by race in one way or another. In other words, the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome is killing actual racism that still occurs.
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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    This being the time of year when many people honor and reflect upon the heritage and contributions of Americans who are black while others lament the concept as being divisive, I thought I pose this question. What's worse: accusing someone of being a racist or actually being a racist? Confession: The question was inspired by a TV interview show I surfed through this morning.

    Although this is a question I've ponder for some time, I've never heard it put so concisely.

    The question assumes the person accusing someone, some group or some practice of racism as well as the person, group or practice of being racist is the personal opinion of the accuser/observer and no trial by jury has occurred to establish proof beyond a reasonable doubt, just like in real life.
    I think belonging to an underprivileged minority is much worse.

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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Inb4 white defensiveness.
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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    I work with a substantial number of drivers to the site.
    I have been accused of this on a number of occasions – I am an old white guy
    The claims came due to strict enforcement, not butt headed enforcement, where the individual thought this would prevent me from performing my job.
    Originally this place was fairly wild.
    1 person submitted a claim of this thru their respective company. A Canadian Multi-National
    The senior manager for Ontario & all Western Canada visited the site.
    We had our chat.
    I had my ducks in a row.
    In the end the person retracted their claim
    I then spoke with the gentleman from Ontario- My boss was there. I am a contracted employee, security working for a Canadian Multi National.
    I had previously explained to the gentleman from Ontario I had dealt with this a few times to many.
    The next Driver from his Company that made such a claim I would be submitting a complaint thru Albert Humans Rights Commission. And I informed him; politely it would not be retracted, it would go thru the complete format.
    Those claims ceased.
    So being accused of such behavior does get my dander up.
    As was mentioned in another post, it is a claim that is used more often than it should be.
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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Oh, come on now...the answer is obvious.

    Which is worse, being accused of something crappy or actually being something crappy.

    The former means there might be something crappy.

    The latter means there IS something crappy.

    How can the former possibly be 'worse' then the latter?

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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Other - the accusation of racism is losing it's meaning as everything seems to be racist or motivated by race in one way or another. In other words, the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome is killing actual racism that still occurs.
    When you falsely accuse a person of something, you obviously harm that person, and you just gave a second reason why false accusations are bad.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Other - the accusation of racism is losing it's meaning as everything seems to be racist or motivated by race in one way or another. In other words, the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome is killing actual racism that still occurs.
    While true, and I'd agree with you that it's lost it's meaning, as frequently and inappropriately it's being applied, I think it has more to do with the present leadership of the country in a variety of positions of leadership, and their continual pouring gas on that fire, rather than the reality of the matter.
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    Re: What's worse: accusing someone of racism or being a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh, come on now...the answer is obvious.

    Which is worse, being accused of something crappy or actually being something crappy.

    The former means there might be something crappy.

    The latter means there IS something crappy.

    How can the former possibly be 'worse' then the latter?

    In both cases, its only someone else's opinion.

    I ask because I tend to see far more disgust toward the accuser when he sees what he considers racism than towards racism when someone says they see it. It's almost as if most people honestly think racism is only in people's imagination unless the racist is a black leader.
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