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What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

In your opinion, do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a

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We could use more people like Malcolm X now a days. He was about economic right as well as civil rights. Which is what King was going for, right before they killed him.
 
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chad1389 said:
Stepping away from Islam is a cause for death, (wont debate it here) so yeah, some kudos. But walking away from it, after you were an adult who found it intriguing (not a child who was indoctrinated since birth into it), and then adhered to it, shows you really weren't that smart to being with.
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Had he not been murdered, he may have come to his senses on that part of it too.
 
apdst said:
What do you even know about growing up in America, much black America in the 50's?
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Um, what? Oh, typo, right?
I reckon I know as much about being black as you do. As for growing up in America in the '50's, you mean it wasn't like 'Leave It To Beaver'?
 
Thrilla said:
my thoughts?

so it would be incredibly hard for me to say he was a positive figure.
his legacy lives on today through every black supremacist/black power group that has existed since the 60's.

though I am sympathetic to a couple of his beliefs( such as armed self defense)... overall, he is a negative figure with an enduring legacy of hate and racism.
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I think a big part of how he is remembered is due to him being killed relatively shortly after his "transformation". We have this long drawn out record of violence with only a short piece of recanting. From the distance of time it appears that one far outweighs the other, and I think it would have been interesting to have observed how he would have done had he not been killed.

While I don't go for his previous violent teachings, I am kind of sympathetic to him in that he was an extremely intelligent man in a time and place that didn't tolerate intelligent black men.
 
He certainly evolved in his views. As someone else pointed out, had I been a black man in that time period, I would have been more Malcolm and less Martin.
 
Thrilla said:
bashing Psychiatry,... now the same as preaching hate, violence, racism, and racial supremacy.

:screwy
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Comparing speech to actual acts of kidnapping, denying medical treatment, beatings, child abuse... :screwy
 
chad1389 said:
Speculation.
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Religion is like that though. Most people cling to theirs until they die...and, no. Not all of them were born into it. Many found their "jesus" as adults.
 
Grand Mal said:
Um, what? Oh, typo, right?
I reckon I know as much about being black as you do. As for growing up in America in the '50's, you mean it wasn't like 'Leave It To Beaver'?
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You nothing about neither.
 
calamity said:
Religion is like that though. Most people cling to theirs until they die...and, no. Not all of them were born into it. Many found their "jesus" as adults.
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Yeah I have no problem with that. Finding:

-Jesus
-Buddha
-the flying spaghetti monster

But if you're an adult, whose mature enough to understand danger, and look at Islam and go "I think I'll give that a try" then go around preaching its violence, is a huge problem.
 
Declan said:
He certainly evolved in his views. As someone else pointed out, had I been a black man in that time period, I would have been more Malcolm and less Martin.
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It's a good thing for the country that there were fewer Malcoms and more Martins.
 
apdst said:
It's a good thing for the country that there were fewer Malcoms and more Martins.
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I doubt that is true at all. It is only good for the status quo that there were more Martins than Malcolms, but the reality is that had Martin not been shot, there would be no MLK Day as he was transitioning away from "resistance" toward proactive obstruction of streams of commerce to extort economic changes.
 
calamity said:
Comparing speech to actual acts of kidnapping, denying medical treatment, beatings, child abuse... :screwy
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sigh... what the **** does Scientology have to do with Malcolm x... and what the **** do those actors have to do with these crimes?

make ****ing sense for once in your life.. please.
 
Thrilla said:
sigh... what the **** does Scientology have to do with Malcolm x... and what the **** do those actors have to do with these crimes?

make ****ing sense for once in your life.. please.
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read the original post of mine that you commented on. THat should answer all your questions.
 
calamity said:
read the original post of mine that you commented on. THat should answer all your questions.
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no , it doesn't... you brought a wholly unrelated topic and wholly unrelated people....and you've yet to be able to connect them, nor explain why the **** you want them connected.

I don't like Scientology, I think it's shady as hell... but it's got absolutely nothing ... zero... to do with Malcolm X

ya might as well be whining about bananas for all the sense you are making.:roll:
 
Malcolm was an interesting cat. No way of knowing what his influence COULD have become.

When he strated off he was a hustler. The black cause was a good fit. He bought in. He became almost militant in his rhetoric. Then he went to Mecca. It changed his world. He came a true convert to Islam. He is said to have commented that while in Mecca he looked around and he saw people...black people, white people, Arab people....just people. He realized race wasnt the determinant factor in right and wrong. When he came back his message changed. He scared people. No one knew what to do with him. Well...thats not true...the Nation knew what to do with him...and did it.

I personally would have loved to have seen where his life and teachings could have taken people.
 
Take him over MLK any day of the week...

His autobiography is one of my favorites of all time.
 
VanceMack said:
Malcolm was an interesting cat. No way of knowing what his influence COULD have become.

When he strated off he was a hustler. The black cause was a good fit. He bought in. He became almost militant in his rhetoric. Then he went to Mecca. It changed his world. He came a true convert to Islam. He is said to have commented that while in Mecca he looked around and he saw people...black people, white people, Arab people....just people. He realized race wasnt the determinant factor in right and wrong. When he came back his message changed. He scared people. No one knew what to do with him. Well...thats not true...the Nation knew what to do with him...and did it.

I personally would have loved to have seen where his life and teachings could have taken people.
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Excellent post. You said what I was trying to say, only you said it better.
 
radcen said:
Excellent post. You said what I was trying to say, only you said it better.
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I think "Seventh Child" is a pretty decent book on the man. Pretty fair.
 
Malcolm X was living the shadow of MLK, but I find aspects of what he preached to be absolutely correct.

I'd love to go to the range with that guy and see what he could do to a target dressed up as KKK or something.

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Yeah that'd be a fun time :lol:
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Today is the anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X ([FONT=arial, sans-serif]El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz). In American history he is seen as somewhat as a "controversial" figure because some of his rhetoric that included violent undertones. He is also viewed as a controversial figure because he rose to prominence through the Nation of Islam, but in his later life he left the Nation of Islam and its teachings. In your opinion, do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a negative figure in American history? [/FONT]

Question: do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a negative figure in American history?
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Positive - without a doubt. I think it's amusingly hypocritical that Malcolm X is viewed as "controversial" while we celebrate slave-owning presidents and "explorers" who slaughtered millions of Native Americans. He's "controversial" because many White people don't like it when Black people step out of their "place" which what Malcolm X made a point to do as often as he could.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Today is the anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X ([FONT=arial, sans-serif]El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz). In American history he is seen as somewhat as a "controversial" figure because some of his rhetoric that included violent undertones. He is also viewed as a controversial figure because he rose to prominence through the Nation of Islam, but in his later life he left the Nation of Islam and its teachings. In your opinion, do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a negative figure in American history? [/FONT]

Question: do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a negative figure in American history?
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I never thought much of him actually. He was quite racist and had an air of violence around him. I never saw that he did anything really to advance the cause of black rights or racial progressiveness. He was more theater than anything else in my view, and inspired spin offs like Oakland's "Your Black Muslim Bakery" with the same bow ties and hats and and gangs. They busted for prostitution and and I believe racketeering as well.

X's Nation of Islam did nothing but worry people and he was shot by a black man in the end, so that tells you something.
 
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