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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    My thoughts? He's dead. He isn't worth more thought.

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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Are you not aware of the "Goodwin's Law" fallacy?
    it's Godwin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Oh I completely agree, which why I said I was on the fence rather than freakIng out and ranting about what an awful person he was.

    I'm just a really strong proponent of Gandhian/Thoreauan civil disobedience as an alternative to violence in the struggle for civil rights. Which is why I'm not a huge fan of Malcom X.
    I think that's certainly fair to be a proponent of Gandhian civil disobedience to achieve civil rights. Truth be told, I much rather solutions be solved peacefully instead of with violence. However I do understand why someone would want to be up in arms if my neighbor's were being firebombed or lynched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    it's Godwin.

    Ah, a typo. My mistake then.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    Had Malcolm had his way, we'd still be segregated.
    Have you read any of his works in his later of life after he left the nation and condemned the nation of islams teaching of supremacy, and segregation?


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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    my thoughts?

    so it would be incredibly hard for me to say he was a positive figure.
    his legacy lives on today through every black supremacist/black power group that has existed since the 60's.

    though I am sympathetic to a couple of his beliefs( such as armed self defense)... overall, he is a negative figure with an enduring legacy of hate and racism.

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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    Negative. On the other hand, Martin Luther King was a wife beater, but I count him as a good influence. So was John Lennon. Difference is Lennon and King Jr. actually helped change and shape society. Had Malcolm had his way, we'd still be segregated.
    He woke up and realized that his cult hero was a fraud, and the crap the man preached was a false prophecy. He then spoke out against him. THat alone is worth a huge kudos. Too bad Tom Cruise and that idiot who played Barbarino don't have a similar awakening.

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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, in net, I would argue his influence was negative. Given his later reversal, however, I consider the man a positive. Hard to admit you were wrong like that.
    Reversal? After making the pilgrimage to Mecca he accepted mainstream Islam, leaving Elijah Muhammad and the NoI behind.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    Negative. On the other hand, Martin Luther King was a wife beater, but I count him as a good influence. So was John Lennon. Difference is Lennon and King Jr. actually helped change and shape society. Had Malcolm had his way, we'd still be segregated.
    If I grew up black in America in the fifties, I'd like to think there'd be more Malcolm X than Martin Luther King in my make-up.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    He woke up and realized that his cult hero was a fraud, and the crap the man preached was a false prophecy. He then spoke out against him. THat alone is worth a huge kudos. Too bad Tom Cruise and that idiot who played Barbarino don't have a similar awakening.
    Tom Cruise does need an awakening yes. And yes I do give him kudos for that, but the fact that Malcolm never managed to see the cult for what it was in the first place should be a strong indication of his intellect. To find him in any manner an influence and say such is dangerous to those who are seeking people to become influenced by.

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