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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That guy is in a class all by himself... you'll get used to it.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Assuming you mean that I have racist attitudes instilled in my by the dominant White society against people of color, I would agree. If you mean that I'm racist against White people, then I find that to be inaccurate and yet a predictable thing for an old White guy to say.
    ...yet you are doing a fine job of displaying the latter, without my prompting or input.


    If Nat Turner wasn't controversial then I would agree, but many of the same people who praise Washington and other slave owners have a problem with Nat Turner. Both people lived around the same time. Both were violent and yet only one is controversial. In fact, I knew someone who proposed that a public school he was principal for should be called "Nat Turner Elementary School". The name was rejected because Turner was "too violent" even though they had approved schools named after slave owners and White men who slaughtered Native Americans. The way that White people, in general, treat "violent" Black people is extremely different from how they treat their violent White heroes. While it's not surprising that you don't recognize the hypocrisy, it is unforunate.
    I don't dispute this hypocrisy exists... though i dispute you bitching about it while reveling in it.
    you have proven yourself to be guilty of this same hypocrisy... and you've proven yourself to have negative racist attitudes toward white men


    I understand why he said those sings since White people tried to kill his children, bombed his friends' places of worship down, burned crosses on the lawns of his neighbors, lynched people all around him, threatened him with violence and otherwise terrorized him, his family and everyone around while the "moderate" Whites looked on with indifference. However, suffice to say that I'm glad he rose above White people's terrorism at the end of his life and realized that holding such bitterness against them was not the message of God.
    as i have said, i have no problem with his views on violence in self defense... none whatsoever.
    now we know you are, at the very least, sympathetic to black supremacy, black segregation, and white people being evil.... I thank you for your candor.

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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So because there is some place worse that makes how they were treated here ok? Why didn't you say that maybe he should have moved to Canada and see how they treated him instead?
    Does Canada have a guaranteed right to free speech? No, they don't. England? No. France? No.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That guy is in a class all by himself... you'll get used to it.
    It didn't take long to resort to personal attacks, eh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Almost every single person in our society has racist attitudes. I'm curious though, how do you explain how so many violent, racist White men are celebrated with very little controversy in our society while Malcolm X is demonized for not even being violent, but for advocating violence in self-defense?
    You must be referring to Robert Byrd.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Today is the anniversary of the assassination of Malcolm X (El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz). In American history he is seen as somewhat as a "controversial" figure because some of his rhetoric that included violent undertones. He is also viewed as a controversial figure because he rose to prominence through the Nation of Islam, but in his later life he left the Nation of Islam and its teachings. In your opinion, do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a negative figure in American history?

    Question: do you view Malcolm X as a positive figure in American history, or a negative figure in American history?


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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does Canada have a guaranteed right to free speech? No, they don't. England? No. France? No.
    That wasn't the point... the point was being treated fairly in your own country and NOT free speech. Russia would treat a black activist worse than in the USA. You chose a worse country rather than a better one, to the USA. My point below, which you conclude as a personal attack, explains to that poster exactly this... your dodge and weave bull****.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Never cared much for Malcom X.

    He said some tough truths and had a few catchy lines, but at the end of the day, he fell short of the kind of person I would want helping lead my people in the fight for equality. He decided to change his ways far too late and even then, he was still a racist among other things. And before that, was at many times a poster boy for what amounts to a black supremacist cult that perverts Islam for a political agenda -- I was just reading up on the Nation Islam and Five Percent Nation last week for the first time in a while, absolutely disgusting. I can't respect that, I have a hard time respecting....anything about him except that he put himself out there in time like that, braving great danger.

    Too many people just focus on his one liners like the Plymouth rock stuff and the knife quote instead of the racist, black supremacist bull**** he championed directly and indirectly with his words and actions. I can understand his anger and that of other black militant wings, the Black Panthers and even the Black Liberation Army, but after that, it's just ****ing nonsense and blatant racism tied in with lame buzzwords like anti-imperialist and even, for God knows what reason, anti-capitalist. Malcom kind of helped validate these more problematic, militant elements to act on instinct rather than use their head. And he slurped up the ultra-leftist drivel like sweet tea, that doesn't help.

    Still, Malcom X with Denzel Washington and directed by Spike Lee is the best biopic to this day and Malcom himself left his imprint on modern history, for better or for worse.

    Anyway, I voted "negative." He was a negative figure, but he was a necessary figure. Malcom literally embodied the anger of Black America, a very, very, very justified fury. It was going to happen, it had to happen, it was meant to happen.

    It's funny, as a kid, I thought he just played too much into more militant approaches to fighting for equality and change, then you learn what he actually believed for most of his adult life after his conversion to Islam, or what he believed to be Islam, and you just want to throw up.

    Still, I think if he hadn't been murdered by the Nation of Islam and given some years to think things over, he may have reformed and left the last vestiges of his racist ways. He would have done great things then, I think, provided a reformation came. But, what's done is done.
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    Re: What Are Your Personal Thoughts On Malcolm X

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That wasn't the point... the point was being treated fairly in your own country and NOT free speech. Russia would treat a black activist worse than in the USA. You chose a worse country rather than a better one, to the USA. My point below, which you conclude as a personal attack, explains to that poster exactly this... your dodge and weave bull****.
    That's exactly the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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