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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    CAN Iran's nuclear program be stopped just via military force alone? Absolutely. Capabilities to enact such a program in terms of infastructure and personnel could be removed repeatedly each time it's spun up and would have the potential to eventually lead the Iranians to decide such an endevour is futile.
    There is not the slightest thing absolute about what you have said, so to use the word absolutely is ridiculous. First of all, anyone who knows something about physics would know that you don't have to enrich uranium with centrifuges. Next of all, you don't have to have a large number of personnel to do it with centrifuges. It can be successfully done on a very small scale over a long period of time, undetected. As I said before, what is your proposal, put guards on every inch of a large geographical area to make sure that they do not do it?

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is not the slightest thing absolute about what you have said, so to use the word absolutely is ridiculous. First of all, anyone who knows something about physics would know that you don't have to enrich uranium with centrifuges. Next of all, you don't have to have a large number of personnel to do it with centrifuges. It can be successfully done on a very small scale over a long period of time, undetected. As I said before, what is your proposal, put guards on every inch of a large geographical area to make sure that they do not do it?
    So basically not looking for an actual discussion, but a confrontation.

    Where, in ANYTHING that I said, did I suggest I had a "proposal" or was stating what my personal preference was? I was answering the question that was posed. Yes, via military might alone, one could stop the iranian nuclear program. Using military might alone, one could terminate the leadership of the regime that currently desires a nuclear program and continue to do so until a regime comes into power that does not attempt to obtain a nuclear program. Using military might alone we could utilize ground or air forces to remove facilities. Military organizations have intelligence departments, and thus through military might they could take action necessary to uncover and neutralize covert attempts. All of that is absolutely feasible using military might when the only explicit qualifying criteria is that said military might is the only thing that can be used.

    Doesn't mean that's what I want. Doesn't mean that it's cost effective. Doesn't mean that it WILL be done, but that it feasibly CAN so much that any method can. However the question wasn't about whether it would be financially difficult or if it'd take an exorbidant amount of time and effort, the question YOU posed was simply CAN it be done.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There are some that believe that Iran should not be able to enrich uranium.
    That's because what they're doing is suspicious, and they could buy all the enriched uranium FOR PEACEFUL PURPOSES from Russia, if they wanted.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Bottom line. If Iran really wants to build a bomb, they can do it, undetected.
    That's precisely what Israel, the US and Europe are afraid of.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So basically not looking for an actual discussion, but a confrontation.

    Where, in ANYTHING that I said, did I suggest I had a "proposal" or was stating what my personal preference was? I was answering the question that was posed. Yes, via military might alone, one could stop the iranian nuclear program. Using military might alone, one could terminate the leadership of the regime that currently desires a nuclear program and continue to do so until a regime comes into power that does not attempt to obtain a nuclear program. Using military might alone we could utilize ground or air forces to remove facilities. Military organizations have intelligence departments, and thus through military might they could take action necessary to uncover and neutralize covert attempts. All of that is absolutely feasible using military might when the only explicit qualifying criteria is that said military might is the only thing that can be used.

    Doesn't mean that's what I want. Doesn't mean that it's cost effective. Doesn't mean that it WILL be done, but that it feasibly CAN so much that any method can. However the question wasn't about whether it would be financially difficult or if it'd take an exorbidant amount of time and effort, the question YOU posed was simply CAN it be done.
    No, I want to discuss it. What you are doing here is juggling words. For one thing you have used the word "might" here and "absolutely feasible" when before you used the term absolutely in an exclusive sense. Here's what you said

    CAN Iran's nuclear program be stopped just via military force alone? Absolutely.
    There was no "might", there was no "absolutely feasible."

    Furthermore your claim is bogus because you cannot demonstrate how Iran cannot enrich uranium on a small scale over a long period of time. That is the problem with your position that it can be done.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I should clarify that. I think there are those who do not want them to be able to enrich uranium at all. That's what I mean.
    That is true, I think. What I also believe is that with sufficiently well formulated and designed rules and robust monitoring, the US would have no choice but to accept a Security Council decision. I also think that any government we have had since Carter would have accepted this even without the regime there abdicating their support of terrorism. Had they done the latter, I actually believe that they could have been reintegrated into the international system as early as Carter, though, the treatment of the Hostages would probably have required an apology by the Mullah.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's because what they're doing is suspicious, and they could buy all the enriched uranium FOR PEACEFUL PURPOSES from Russia, if they wanted.
    They know how to do it. You can't bomb knowledge.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's precisely what Israel, the US and Europe are afraid of.
    If they want to do it, they can do it, undetected.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is true, I think. What I also believe is that with sufficiently well formulated and designed rules and robust monitoring, the US would have no choice but to accept a Security Council decision. I also think that any government we have had since Carter would have accepted this even without the regime there abdicating their support of terrorism. Had they done the latter, I actually believe that they could have been reintegrated into the international system as early as Carter, though, the treatment of the Hostages would probably have required an apology by the Mullah.
    The problem is that Iran knows how to do it. There is no practical way of stopping them if they want to enrich uranium.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No you did not tell me anything.
    Of course I didn't list the military instruments and combinations thereof with which the program could be halted, because there are quite a few. Each would be appropriate to different aims, they would each create different cost profiles and communicate to the world different things. There is a difference between a decade of bombardment, four nukes and 400.000 troops with a free hand to pacify. Any and more of so different instruments can stop the Iranian program. But you must know that. So, what exactly do you want to know?

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