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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well they should not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons, but they should be allowed to develop nuclear technology for peaceful means. There is no good reason why that should not happen.

    That is a good point about no one knowing the extent of Israel's program.
    Who's come out against this? I see all kinds of red herrings being thrown out in this thread. Even Israel isn't against nuclear power for PEACEFUL MEANS; if that's the intent of Iran. But it isn't obviously because they have their **** buried in bunkers, and won't submit to inspection. Neither is this discussion about the OP, which is about military capability to end Iran's nuclear weapons program. Iran is nothing but Iraq (under Hussein) with better weapons and engineers. They are the same kind of crazies bent on obtaining nuclear weapons.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who's come out against this? I see all kinds of red herrings being thrown out in this thread. Even Israel isn't against nuclear power for PEACEFUL MEANS; if that's the intent of Iran. But it isn't obviously because they have their **** buried in bunkers, and won't submit to inspection. Neither is this discussion about the OP, which is about military capability to end Iran's nuclear weapons program. Iran is nothing but Iraq (under Hussein) with better weapons and engineers. They are the same kind of crazies bent on obtaining nuclear weapons.
    There are some that believe that Iran should not be able to enrich uranium.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm so sick of hearing people say they want jihadists to have nukes! It doesn't matter that Israel or anyone else has them. And who says we're okay with North Korea having nukes or Pakistan, who says they're for it? Name them!
    Plenty here, but no politician is that foolish - they may tacitly support the view, but they themselves won't come out and say it.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who's come out against this? I see all kinds of red herrings being thrown out in this thread. Even Israel isn't against nuclear power for PEACEFUL MEANS; if that's the intent of Iran. But it isn't obviously because they have their **** buried in bunkers, and won't submit to inspection. Neither is this discussion about the OP, which is about military capability to end Iran's nuclear weapons program. Iran is nothing but Iraq (under Hussein) with better weapons and engineers. They are the same kind of crazies bent on obtaining nuclear weapons.
    We don't want crazies to have so much as a cap gun here, but somehow that notion falls apart for some when it comes to nukes and international crazies.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It cannot work in the long run by force alone.
    Sure it can.

    so tell us how it can be done.
    It is cheaper to destroy than it is to build. Whenever they build something, we destroy it. They will run out of resources long before we do.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure it can.
    No it cannot.


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It is cheaper to destroy than it is to build. Whenever they build something, we destroy it. They will run out of resources long before we do.
    There are a few problems with that view. The main one is that Iran knows precisely how enrich uranium. It is possible for them to enrich it undetected.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it cannot.
    sure we can. We've been moderately successful thus far with extremely limited engagement and heavily restricted resources.

    There are a few problems with that view. The main one is that Iran knows precisely how enrich uranium. It is possible for them to enrich it undetected.
    Oh. And they will do that...... in magical lands wot which we know not?

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    sure we can. We've been moderately successful thus far with extremely limited engagement and heavily restricted resources.
    No it cannot be successful in the long term.

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    Oh. And they will do that...... in magical lands wot which we know not?
    No, it can be done in Iran on a very small scale. It might take a long time, but it can be done. What are you going to do, station guards in every inch of a rather large geographical area to make sure that they don't do it? In what "magical" world is that possible?

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Bottom line. If Iran really wants to build a bomb, they can do it, undetected.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    CAN Iran's nuclear program be stopped just via military force alone? Absolutely. Capabilities to enact such a program in terms of infastructure and personnel could be removed repeatedly each time it's spun up and would have the potential to eventually lead the Iranians to decide such an endevour is futile.

    SHOULD it just be stopped via military force? Of course not. And I doubt anyone honestly suggests JUST military force. Diplomatic pressure should be exerted. Attempts to foment potential regime change within the population to one that would be less apt to have a nuclear program that is assumed to likely to lead to weaponization is another possible avenue. The THREAT of military force, if believed that it will be carried out, may have some impact as well. And even if military force is taken, there's various humanitarian and diplomatic action that could be taken in conjunction, and post, said action to help facilitate the sustained stoppage of that action.

    The issue is completely taking any military option off the table, or assuming that endless diplomatic action that has no true teeth backing it will suddenly work after it's for a fair amount of time largely just stagnated things at best and simply slowed it at worst.

    But to suggest it CAN'T be done using military force alone is ridiculous. It may be costly, in efficient, etc but that doesn't mean it can't be done. But again, I know of no one that I can think of whom suggests the only action that should ever be taken towards Iran regarding it's nuclear program is a solely military one.

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