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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, you mischaracterise my position, which has always been, everybody has them, or nobody has them, stated such repeatedly. With the caveat that nobody having them as a preference. But sense I, and most everybody else has insisted, there will be no nuclear disarmament, what does that bring us back to, hmm? Obviously, sense nobodies going to get rid of them, it may just be what Iran would consider in their interest. Never mind that I have posted multiple sources with US and Israeli intelligence declaring that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and hasn't decided to build one. Now then, care to comment on the Council on Foreign Relations position that an Iranian nuclear weapons program would bring stability to the region? Or does that so **** up your meme, that you can't address it?
    You've just argued for Iranian nukes.
    A person who argues for Iranian nukes cannot argue that nuclear weapons are bad and he doesn't want anyone to have them.
    It's ridiculous. It's absurd. Take your efforts to convince anyone that you're not an immoral pro-Iranian propagandist elsewhere.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Again, the bottom line here is that Iran's nuclear program cannot be stopped by military force alone in the long term. Contrary to what some want to put forward, the people of Iran are capable of being properly integrated into the world political and economic system. Although force and the threat of it's use can play a constructive role, their overuse can make a situation worse and can create a self fulfilling prophecy. Time to move forward and get the nuclear deal that the Obama administration has been pushing for done.

    I wish the President of the United States, Barack Obama, success in his efforts in this regard.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You've just argued for Iranian nukes.
    A person who argues for Iranian nukes cannot argue that nuclear weapons are bad and he doesn't want anyone to have them.
    It's ridiculous. It's absurd. Take your efforts to convince anyone that you're not an immoral pro-Iranian propagandist elsewhere.


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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    I guess when Netanboohoo comes to lecture Congress he will bring one of his crap visuals and talk about how Iran is 3 days from making a bomb.

    Ole Netanboohoo. That guy is something else.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Santa Claus is coming to the U.S. He's got a surprise for everyone!

    Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?-120927074234-benjamin-netanyahu-bomb-un-horizontal-gallery-jpg

    BTW folks, they say that back in 1992 Netanyahu said Iran was 3 to 5 years from the bomb. The odd makers in Vegas should put odds on what he might say this time. '

    1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front headed by the US."

    1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres tells French TV that Iran was set to have nuclear warheads by 1999. "Iran is the greatest threat and greatest problem in the Middle East," Peres warned, "because it seeks the nuclear option while holding a highly dangerous stance of extreme religious militanCY."
    Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979. - Israel paints Iran as Enemy No. 1: 1992 - CSMonitor.com

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Santa Claus is coming to the U.S. He's got a surprise for everyone!

    Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?-120927074234-benjamin-netanyahu-bomb-un-horizontal-gallery-jpg

    BTW folks, they say that back in 1992 Netanyahu said Iran was 3 to 5 years from the bomb. The odd makers in Vegas should put odds on what he might say this time. '



    Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979. - Israel paints Iran as Enemy No. 1: 1992 - CSMonitor.com
    Wow, great find dude. What a bunch of ****.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow, great find dude. What a bunch of ****.
    I never understood how some people can do that type of **** with a straight face.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, you mischaracterise my position, which has always been, everybody has them, or nobody has them, stated such repeatedly. With the caveat that nobody having them as a preference. But sense I, and most everybody else has insisted, there will be no nuclear disarmament, what does that bring us back to, hmm? Obviously, sense nobodies going to get rid of them, it may just be what Iran would consider in their interest. Never mind that I have posted multiple sources with US and Israeli intelligence declaring that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and hasn't decided to build one. Now then, care to comment on the Council on Foreign Relations position that an Iranian nuclear weapons program would bring stability to the region? Or does that so **** up your meme, that you can't address it?
    Although I appreciate the sentiment here, its not plausible.

    There are nearly 200 countries. Maybe 30-50 of them would be able to afford the infrastructure and expertise to support a strategically meaningful nuclear weapons program (Iran is #27 in GDP and they are just now obtaining the capability for it to be an option). For example, America's nuclear program averages $60,000,000,000 per year, mostly just maintenance (entry level costs are higher). That is 10% of famously wealthy Switzerland's yearly GDP. Scaling their economy to the United States's, it would be comparable to the yearly value of the entire American manufacturing sector. Almost prohibitively expensive unless you go to supernormal lengths like Iran has tried and Israel has done (American subsidies).

    Then you would have countries like Pakistan that can barely keep control of their arsenals, with sympathetic agents in their intelligence communities a finger switch away from sending launch codes to armed Islamic radicals in the country's outlying territories that consider it their highest mission in life to drop a nuke on San Francisco or Mumbai regardless of the consequences. Even if you believe an entire society is reasonable, the most militarily proficient among them aren't necessarily. There is always at least one group of people in almost any society who hate another group of people enough to throw caution to the wind and do anything they can to get the nukes to kill them. Ergo, 90% of Iran might not want to bomb Israel, but the 2% out of the 10% that do serve in the militias that can make that happen under specific conditions that will become more and more likely as the world approaches resource scarcity.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 02-23-15 at 03:03 AM.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Those who want to rah rah Netanyahu when he visits should remember how he has deliberately disrespected our leaders when they have visited Israel. Consider

    In the midst of a high-profile trip by Vice President Joe Biden, Israel unveiled plans for new housing in disputed Jerusalem on Tuesday, a surprise step that embarrassed and angered the highest ranking Obama administration official yet to visit the country.

    Biden, who had come to try to smooth relations with a longtime ally and promote new peace talks, denounced Israel's plans to build 1,600 housing units in traditionally Arab East Jerusalem as a threat to the search for peace.

    "I condemn the decision by the government of Israel to advance planning for new housing units in East Jerusalem," Biden said, calling it "precisely the kind of step that undermines the trust we need right now."

    "We must build an atmosphere to support negotiations, not complicate them," Biden said.

    The sharp turn of events abruptly changed the tenor of the trip in its second day, coming just hours after the vice president proclaimed his love for Israel and declared enduring U.S. support. Biden's visit followed a year of tension brought on by Israel's defiance of the Obama administration's admonitions on precisely the same issue: housing settlements in disputed areas.
    Biden's Israel visit takes a rocky turn - Los Angeles Times

    So go and rah rah a guy who does not give a damn about what the U.S. thinks or is trying to do.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Yep that's right, right after the Vice President proclaims his love for Israel and promises U.S. support, they spit right in his face. But still, people over here want to rah rah Netanyahu and invite him over to embarrass the President of the United States. Damn!!!!

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