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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I also wanted to make it perfectly clear. I AM NOT AT ALL SUGGESTING THAT IRAN IS ACTUALLY DOING THIS. My point is that if Iran really wanted to build a nuclear weapon, it could do so despite military action.
    Acknowledged, but the physical possibility of something is not the same as whether or not it is reasonably feasible or should be realistically anticipated.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The Japanese are allowed to enrich uranium. The point is that once a nation has mastered the process it's not possible to stop them from enriching uranium if they are determined to do it.
    You're derailing your own thread into an attempt to support nuclear weapons for terrorist supporters.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    I don't see why they can't have one. Israel has one. And Israel didn't ask anyone if they could make nukes. They just made them. And nobody knows how many they even have. Do they?

    Why can't Iran have nukes? What is the big deal? If BB was really worried about it would he want all Jews in Europe to move to Israel? I doubt it. Nobody cares about Iran getting nukes. North Korea has them. Why would Iran having them be worse than North Korea or Pakistan. Normal people do not care about this issue at all.
    In fact, the good fellows over at the Council on Foreign Relations not only see no problem with it, they see that Iran having nuclear weapons as the very thing that would bring regional security. But clearly, years of USFP are indicative that there are people's that have much to gain by a destabilised Middle East. And look around, just look at the freaking mess that exists, despite US intervention, interference, hegemony, nation building and regime change.


    Most U.S., European, and Israeli commentators and policymakers warn that a nuclear-armed Iran would be the worst possible outcome of the current standoff. In fact, it would probably be the best possible result: the one most likely to restore stability to the Middle East.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In fact, the good fellows over at the Council on Foreign Relations not only see no problem with it, they see that Iran having nuclear weapons as the very thing that would bring regional security. But clearly, years of USFP are indicative that there are people's that have much to gain by a destabilised Middle East. And look around, just look at the freaking mess that exists, despite US intervention, interference, hegemony, nation building and regime change.


    Most U.S., European, and Israeli commentators and policymakers warn that a nuclear-armed Iran would be the worst possible outcome of the current standoff. In fact, it would probably be the best possible result: the one most likely to restore stability to the Middle East.

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    Coming from the person who kept telling us how everyone should let go of their nuclear weapons and how he doesn't want anyone to have them, that's quite the enthusiasm you're showing in promoting Iranian nukes. Hilarious? Perhaps. Miserably pathetic? Absolutely.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Coming from the person who kept telling us how everyone should let go of their nuclear weapons and how he doesn't want anyone to have them, that's quite the enthusiasm you're showing in promoting Iranian nukes. Hilarious? Perhaps. Miserably pathetic? Absolutely.
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    They started their nuke program due to the Iraq War. They also sat up and took notice about Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Coming from the person who kept telling us how everyone should let go of their nuclear weapons and how he doesn't want anyone to have them, that's quite the enthusiasm you're showing in promoting Iranian nukes. Hilarious? Perhaps. Miserably pathetic? Absolutely.
    First of all, you mischaracterise my position, which has always been, everybody has them, or nobody has them, stated such repeatedly. With the caveat that nobody having them as a preference. But sense I, and most everybody else has insisted, there will be no nuclear disarmament, what does that bring us back to, hmm? Obviously, sense nobodies going to get rid of them, it may just be what Iran would consider in their interest. Never mind that I have posted multiple sources with US and Israeli intelligence declaring that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, and hasn't decided to build one. Now then, care to comment on the Council on Foreign Relations position that an Iranian nuclear weapons program would bring stability to the region? Or does that so **** up your meme, that you can't address it?
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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    1. The assertion being made is relatively simple and could almost be taken as an axiom.
    No its not necessarily axiomatic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    If you have very expensive infrastructure that took years to put into place and it is destroyed it will be extremely expensive for you to put it back together. Especially with your economy in tatters, dwindling financial reserves, and the threat of renewed bombardment.
    You can make it difficult. Depending on the situation if could be untenable for a short period of time. Definitely not impossible as you indicated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    2. Anything can be rebuilt. A dam can be rebuilt, but it is going to be an expensive and laborious process--just like it was the first time around. Except this time the economy is much more fragile and the risk of military attack is a near certainty unless it can be hidden. I'm doubtful Iran would be able to prioritize such a program under those circumstances anymore than Iraq was able to after the destruction of Osiraq.
    You are right anything can be rebuilt and that's the point. Even when you look at it from the point of view of destroying the infrastructure as you have suggested, because it can be rebuilt, means that the problem has not been solved long term.

    You are right about the fragile economy and risk of military attack though. It is not worth it to them at this time due partly to those reasons. However, if they have to be subjected to the constant destruction of their infrastructure as you have put forward, those calculations could well change.

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    3. Always possible but extremely difficult. If this is the only plausible route Iran has after the destruction of its facilities I think such a coalition would sleep peacefully.
    If would be somewhat difficult but not extremely difficult. And for this reason, as I have pointed out, military action alone cannot stop Iran's nuclear program. Iran must be integrated into the world such that it feels no need to develop nuclear weapons.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Acknowledged, but the physical possibility of something is not the same as whether or not it is reasonably feasible or should be realistically anticipated.
    That is correct. However what I put forward is reasonably feasible although I totally agree, it is not something that should be realistically anticipated at this point. The point is again, Iran's nuclear program cannot be stopped by military means alone.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    So they are going to plow through another decade or more of sifting Uranium through a calutron to yield a single bomb? The last time a country build a weapon this way it was during the Manhattan Project and we built gigantic facilities to make sure we were moving at an industrial scale. Tens of thousands of acres of land were appropriated for these instruments, an entire city's worth of infrastructure to provide for the program, and the Y-12 calutron program still took more than a year to produce 50kg of enriched uranium. Not to mention the years we spent building it and the billions we spent on it. I think we can both agree that Iran doesn't have the luxury of building a city scope nuclear program.
    No, the point was that contrary to what someone else wanted to put forward, a nuclear reactor is not needed to separate uranium. The approach via Maxwell's equations demonstrates that. The approach via the concepts of angular momentum, centrifugal force , gravitational force, and mass as is used in a centrifuge would be the preferred method on a small scale.

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    Re: Can Iran's nuclear program be stopped by military force alone?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're derailing your own thread into an attempt to support nuclear weapons for terrorist supporters.
    No I have not derailed anything. What I have attempted to do is to demonstrate that Iran's nuclear program cannot be stopped by military force alone.

    The thread has not be derailed, you just need to get back on track.

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