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Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

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Fenton said:
He said on 60 minutes that his plan for Syria left no room for Assad.
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That does not mean that it was his idea. That idea is something that likely originated with the Saudis.
 
What likely happened is that the Saudis got the bright idea to get rid of Assad. For sure they are the ones who pushed hard for it. The U.S. likely went along with it because they thought they could put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Syria. But then it became apparent with the demise of Morsi in Egypt that that may not be a good idea. Assad got some help from Hezbollah and because of the thing with Morsi in Egypt, the U.S. did not want to get in deep with military force and finish off Assad. Prince Bandar Bush was then royally pissed off with Obama.
 
Grand Mal said:
Of course he wouldn't have. He would have executed, brutally, any Al Qaeda or ISIS who surfaced in Iraq. What do you know about Hussein that tells you he was willing to share power?
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Allying--which is what I said--isnt the same as sharing power. But, let's go back to what I said earlier, if ISIS invaded northern Iraq, there's nothing Saddam would have been able to do to stop them, since that area was withing the no fly zone.
 
MildSteel said:
The real question is whose bright idea was it to overthrow Assad? Those are the idiots that are responsible for this.
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MMC said:
Mornin Steel.
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Ooooh, Oooh, I got it! That would be those alleged Arabian Knights in white shining cloth even whiter than Clorox with bleach. The Saud/Sunni !!!!! :mrgreen:
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Err, didn't Obama draw a red line in the sand hemming in Syria's Assad? Up until then, wasn't ISIS in Syria pretty well contained and stalemated? Or even the Assad regime gaining ground?

Fenton said:
No the real question is who's bright idea was it to remove every last remnant of American militarily assets out of Iraq ?

The idiot that decided that is responsible for this.

Interesting factoid....its the same idiot who decided to overthrow Assad.
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BINGO!
 
eohrnberger said:
Err, didn't Obama draw a red line in the sand hemming in Syria's Assad? Up until then, wasn't ISIS in Syria pretty well contained and stalemated? Or even the Assad regime gaining ground?



BINGO!
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That was long after the Saud started supplying weapons to the Syrian Rebel/Terrorists. Which were Sunni and many were associated with the Syrian MB. Which the MB was another one with Qatar that was supporting and helping to overthrow Assad/Shia.
 
MMC said:
That was long after the Saud started supplying weapons to the Syrian Rebel/Terrorists. Which were Sunni and many were associated with the Syrian MB. Which the MB was another one with Qatar that was supporting and helping to overthrow Assad/Shia.
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And the trouble that MB caused in Egypt, before the military coup and is now throwing them all in jail.

How much of the Arab spring unrest could be attributed to MB and other fundamentalist organizations?

I mean, wouldn't that be a peach? Islamic Fundamentalist Militants cause the much US welcomed and applauded Arab spring, causing dictator over turns far and wide, and it was these Islamic extremists all the time. Talk about a majorly bad miss-read (by whom exactly on the US side?)
 
Perhaps not, but Saddam would certainly be. You know, the guy who invaded Kuwait, intended to conquer Saud, gassed the Kurds, etc.
 
Moot said:
I've read it grew out of Saddam's Republican Guard and Baathists that were ousted after 2003 invasion. A lot of them went to Syria.
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I think you're both saying the same thing.
 
eohrnberger said:
And the trouble that MB caused in Egypt, before the military coup and is now throwing them all in jail.

How much of the Arab spring unrest could be attributed to MB and other fundamentalist organizations?

I mean, wouldn't that be a peach? Islamic Fundamentalist Militants cause the much US welcomed and applauded Arab spring, causing dictator over turns far and wide, and it was these Islamic extremists all the time. Talk about a majorly bad miss-read (by whom exactly on the US side?)
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Funny how the MB was involved with Libya to, huh? Lets not forget the MB is what AQ rose from and many many others.

Which really.....we do need to smack them down here in the US. With anything they have to talk about or say. The MB is like the suits.....they don't want to get dirty anymore. Unless absolutely necessary. Oh and they are all about using western democracy to follow their grand delusion.
 
MildSteel said:
What likely happened is that the Saudis got the bright idea to get rid of Assad. For sure they are the ones who pushed hard for it. The U.S. likely went along with it because they thought they could put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Syria. But then it became apparent with the demise of Morsi in Egypt that that may not be a good idea. Assad got some help from Hezbollah and because of the thing with Morsi in Egypt, the U.S. did not want to get in deep with military force and finish off Assad. Prince Bandar Bush was then royally pissed off with Obama.
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Syrian regime change is a USFP that predates Obama.

Exclusive: President Obama plans to violate international law by launching airstrikes inside Syria without that government’s consent, even though Syria might well give it. Is Obama playing into neocon hands by providing a new argument for “regime change” in Damascus, asks Robert Parry.

Official Washington’s ever-influential neoconservatives and their “liberal interventionist” allies see President Barack Obama’s decision to extend U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State terrorists into Syria as a new chance to achieve the long-treasured neocon goal of “regime change” in Damascus.

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/11/neocons-revive-syria-regime-change-plan/
 
Fenton said:
Here's a better and more relevant question.

Would ISIS exist if Obama had not pulled every last remnant of American Military personnel out of Iraq ?
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Most definitely ISIS would still exist. ISIS stated their jihad in Syria not Iraq.
 
apdst said:
Allying--which is what I said--isnt the same as sharing power. But, let's go back to what I said earlier, if ISIS invaded northern Iraq, there's nothing Saddam would have been able to do to stop them, since that area was withing the no fly zone.
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ISIS cut their teeth on killing Americans in Iraq. There would be no upset balance of power between Sunni's and Shia, no revolution in Syria and no ISIS if we had left Saddam in power. Actions have consequences and Bush had no clue when he overthrew Saddam.
 
Fenton said:
Here's a better and more relevant question.

Would ISIS exist if Obama had not pulled every last remnant of American Military personnel out of Iraq ?
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Or if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq which was no threat to the USA and caused the death of thousands of Sunni people whose relatives, friends and fellow tribesmen are now looking for some pay-back.
 
The fact is we can't know what things would be like if Saddam Hussein were still in power.
 
Moot said:
Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq when Saddam was the leader.
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I know, but they followed the US in, and then, post Saddam, ex Baathists joined up with them. AQI, is al Qaeda in Iraq as you know.
 
joko104 said:
The fact is we can't know what things would be like if Saddam Hussein were still in power.
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But of course we can, and how very foolish of Bush to think how neat it would be to find out what things would be like without him in power.
 
Fenton said:
One of many embarrassing moments stemming from the election of a Jr Senator with radical underpinnings.
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That's your opinion which I and quite a few others will ignore.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
MildSteel said:
No ISIS would not exist. There manifestation is one reason why
it was a big mistake to have invaded Iraq in 2002.
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It was also a mistake for the USA to invade Iraq in the First Gulf War.The USA had no vital interests there and should have stayed out of that kerfuffle.
 
shrubnose said:
It was also a mistake for the USA to invade Iraq in the First Gulf War.The USA had no vital interests there and should have stayed out of that kerfuffle.
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Heya SN. :2wave: What about the Kurds.....do you think they were an interest?
 
MMC said:
Heya SN. :2wave: What about the Kurds.....do you think they were an interest?
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No. People's are never US interest unless that cause can be used to protect real interests.
 
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