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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    No ISIS would not exist. There manifestation is one reason why it was a big mistake to have invaded Iraq in 2002.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Not sure. I lean toward no, simply because Saddam probably wouldn't have tolerated competition, being a mass murderer and psycho. Of course I agree with those who say he was easier to keep taps on than ISIL. One dictator vs what amounts to an ideology. Well, that's my opinion on it for what its worth.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Probably not. Saddam was a brutal dictator, but to some extent he kept order. And I think if the people of Iraq had gotten rid of him like nearly every other country in the world got rid of their tyrannical government, with a bottom-up peoples' revolution, we wouldn't see alot of the instability we see there today. Having the United States World Police swoop in and yank him out of his seat before the people of Iraq were ready for that really did them a disservice. It left a power vacuum...which was happily filled by ISIS.
    Saddam was brutal to be sure but he did better than just keeping order to some extent. The country was stable, modernizing and prosperous under his regime. Arguably the average Iraqi was better off with him in power.

    It's hard to say but Saddam wasn't shy about using his military to suppress dissent and revolt. ISIS would in all probability not be in existence in Iraq today had he remained in power. ISIS in Syria is anyone's guess.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    For Myself.....I don't think ISIS would exist in its form that it is now, if Saddam was still in power. Both CPW and Moot are correct. ISIS comes about from AQIL and from the Baathists that were secular under Saddam. The problem also stems with Saddams Faith based Campaign and what took place afterwards with Saddam being gone. Which was recently revealed by a couple of writers, plus now a couple of more that have put info out on ISIS.

    We removed thousands of bureaucrats, administrators, university professors, doctors, lawyers, judges, engineers, bankers, etc from their positions in Iraqi society because they were Ba'athists. ISIS isn't just another insurgency. They have a fully-fledged economy with farms, businesses, schools, courts, factories, mines, oil refineries, even a mint. They have international trade with sympathetic companies in countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Turkey.

    Then we saw the Leadership of ISIS go after Baathist Officers and Commanders.....and did so quickly.

    That's not to say another face wouldn't be showing. So while Terrorist networks wouldn't be the focus this would not stop the tribal war between Sunni and Shia. More focus would be highlighted as to what Iran was doing with the Shia. While watching the Sunni being directed by the Saud and those Sunni that bow before them be the cause of further conflict that is taking place throughout the ME.

    Which another concern would be how the Sunni are now set to take Libya(another country just handed to them that they couldn't take on their own).....even though they can't get Rid of Assad. While the Berbers are followers of the Sunni Doctrine.....many refuse to bow before any Saud or Sunni Arabs. I think Gadhafi mentioned something about them being like bugs that infest anything they get into.

    So that problem of Sectarian divide.....would be more pronounced and more clear as to who was responsible for whatever genocides took place.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    The real question is whose bright idea was it to overthrow Assad? Those are the idiots that are responsible for this.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The real question is whose bright idea was it to overthrow Assad? Those are the idiots that are responsible for this.
    Mornin Steel. Ooooh, Oooh, I got it! That would be those alleged Arabian Knights in white shining cloth even whiter than Clorox with bleach. The Saud/Sunni !!!!!
    Last edited by MMC; 02-20-15 at 10:59 AM.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The real question is whose bright idea was it to overthrow Assad? Those are the idiots that are responsible for this.

    No the real question is who's bright idea was it to remove every last remnant of American militarily assets out of Iraq ?

    The idiot that decided that is responsible for this.

    Interesting factoid....its the same idiot who decided to overthrow Assad.
    Last edited by Fenton; 02-20-15 at 11:00 AM.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Steel. Ooooh, Oooh, I got it! That would be those alleged Arabian Knights in white shining cloth even whiter than Clorox with bleach. The Saud!!!!!
    Morning to you!!!!

    Yep. That's why they need to march their sorry behinds over their and clean it up themselves instead of coming to us whining.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No the real question is who's bright idea was it to remove every last remnant of American militarily assets out of Iraq ?

    The idiot that decided that is responsible for this.

    Interesting factoid....its the same idiot who decided to overthrow Assad.
    Do you have a reference that states it was Obama's idea? I don't mean one that demonstrates he went along with it. I want one that demonstrates it was actually his idea.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you have a reference that states it was Obama's idea? I don't mean one that demonstrates he went along with it. I want one that demonstrates it was actually his idea.

    He said on 60 minutes that his plan for Syria left no room for Assad.

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