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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In some respects, the Islamic State is a new name on an old face, with a bit more extremism. But clearly, this group of organised criminals would not be going about the Middle East conducting the campaign that they are. Obviously though, this poll is another attempt to blame this very real problem completely on the Bush administration when the last few decades of USFP in the region has been contributing to the radicalisation and emboldenment of these groups, and the last 7 years in particular have undoubtedly been the most damaging to security and stability in the region. With Hussein, Mubarak Gaddafi and Assad, we had containment. Those figures are absent, and with that is the direct correlation in the rise of Islamic extremism.
    I don't know when we are going to learn. In the last 30 years we have yet to have a single military operation in the Middle East that had a positive long term result.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Is it the we shouldn't remove one genocidal mass murdering dictator because someone slightly less worse and evil than the dictator might take his place argument?
    Saddam Hussein was evil, but he was contained and ISIS is not contained.


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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I don't know when we are going to learn. In the last 30 years we have yet to have a single military operation in the Middle East that had a positive long term result.
    that's matter of perspective.
    alot of folks consider deposing murderous tyrants as a positive thing... lots more think that disallowing one country from taking over a lil tiny neighbor country by force is a positive thing <shrugs>

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Probably not. Saddam was a brutal dictator, but to some extent he kept order. And I think if the people of Iraq had gotten rid of him like nearly every other country in the world got rid of their tyrannical government, with a bottom-up peoples' revolution, we wouldn't see alot of the instability we see there today. Having the United States World Police swoop in and yank him out of his seat before the people of Iraq were ready for that really did them a disservice. It left a power vacuum...which was happily filled by ISIS.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    it would sooner or later


    just because of the nature of fanatical faith

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You mean the wonderful Saddam Hussein, pro-American man of peace and human rights justice?

    shhhh no 1 has to worry about that now so they wont

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not really. ISIL grew out of the left-over leadership of AQI.
    I've read it grew out of Saddam's Republican Guard and Baathists that were ousted after 2003 invasion. A lot of them went to Syria.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That most probably means that Saddam would have allied with ISIS.
    Of course he wouldn't have. He would have executed, brutally, any Al Qaeda or ISIS who surfaced in Iraq. What do you know about Hussein that tells you he was willing to share power?
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Probably not. Saddam was a brutal dictator, but to some extent he kept order. And I think if the people of Iraq had gotten rid of him like nearly every other country in the world got rid of their tyrannical government, with a bottom-up peoples' revolution, we wouldn't see alot of the instability we see there today. Having the United States World Police swoop in and yank him out of his seat before the people of Iraq were ready for that really did them a disservice. It left a power vacuum...which was happily filled by ISIS.
    I'm afraid that you're completely ignoring the situation in Syria, that fully contradicts your assertion.
    After all the Syrian tyrant wasn't taken out by the World Police or anyone else, and yet during the "people's revolution" ISIS and other terror organizations have taken control. I don't see any possible way to determine for certain that if Saddam had stayed in power there wouldn't be a people's revolution that involves a terror organization similar to ISIS.
    I think it's very easy just to blame the US for everything.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    It's a fair question. I voted "Other" only because I can't speculate on what might have happened, and since militant extremists predate Hussein, who knows?
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