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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A better question would be: would Saddam Hussein have prevented ISIS from coming into existence and the answer is, no. There's no way he could have prevented a rebellion in Syria. There's no way he could have stopped an ISIS invasion of Iraq, since he couldn't move his forces into the no-fly zone to engage them.

    On a side note: the feverish effort to blame Bush is becoming embarrassing for the Libbos.
    One of many embarrassing moments stemming from the election of a Jr Senator with radical underpinnings.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    In some respects, the Islamic State is a new name on an old face, with a bit more extremism. But clearly, this group of organised criminals would not be going about the Middle East conducting the campaign that they are. Obviously though, this poll is another attempt to blame this very real problem completely on the Bush administration when the last few decades of USFP in the region has been contributing to the radicalisation and emboldenment of these groups, and the last 7 years in particular have undoubtedly been the most damaging to security and stability in the region. With Hussein, Mubarak Gaddafi and Assad, we had containment. Those figures are absent, and with that is the direct correlation in the rise of Islamic extremism.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    In Syria, they would exist. So whose side were we supposed to take, Assad allied with Iran or with ISIS?
    My thoughts exactly. SH would have crushed ISIS if they had invaded Iraq and made pyramids out of their skulls. That's the advantage of an autocratic gov't, you get to set the rules of engagement, so if it took slaughtering a handful of towns for supporting ISIS to stop them, that's what SH would have done. While I hate the idea of an autocracy, in certain situations, it has it's advantages over more civilized forms of gov't. Yugoslavia under Tito is probably the best example of the up side to an autocracy. HE was able to keep a nation that could have been in a full blown civil war in a state of relative peace. His tactics were deplorable, but the results were undeniable. Given another generation or two of an autocracy and Yugoslavia probably would still exist and we would have avoided the civil war that came about when Yugoslavia fell apart. SH was able to do something similar in Iraq, keeping the Sunnis and Shiites from killing each other in the streets using the same kind of cruel and vicious tactics.

    Before ANYONE accuses me of admiring or supporting these kind of tactics, keep in mind that I HATE them, but I also recognize that they can produce positive results for the short term that can lead to a stable nation. If I was put into one of these kind of States, I'd be one of the guys looking to remove the autocrats.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Nope, dictators don't like competition.

    They would have been brutally suppressed, and in time, eradicated before gaining any sort of international infamy.

    These Islamic autocrats were good at dealing with these brutes, especially since they don't/didn't have any rules to play by.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Nope, dictators don't like competition.

    They would have been brutally suppressed, and in time, eradicated before gaining any sort of international infamy.

    These Islamic autocrats were good at dealing with these brutes, especially since they don't/didn't have any rules to play by.
    Yep yep!
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    I'm going to say yes but you wouldn't know them by that name. You'd know them as the baathist party officers of Saddam's army.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Would ISIS exist if Saddam were still in power? - No.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    We attacked Al Qaeda and then we attacked Iraq and then we attacked ISIS and then we attacked...
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    Is it the we shouldn't remove one genocidal mass murdering dictator because someone slightly less worse and evil than the dictator might take his place argument?
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-19-15 at 11:05 PM.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    In Syria, they would exist
    Not really. ISIL grew out of the left-over leadership of AQI.

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