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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Nope.
    There you have it then.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Of course they weren't, they were bitter enemies.

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Except that they were Iraqi Sunni's who would have had no interest in anything but supporting their leader Saddam but noooo. Georgi boy Said Saddam's been a bad man. And he was, the question is was he that much "badder" then when this was taken? There is no wiggling out of it there would be no ISIS, no war in Syria and a much less radical ME had GW used his head instead of his butt. You need to come to grips with that. Bush was warned this would happen and laughed it off. Speaking of laughing, I wonder what those two are thinking?

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Come on dude, I know that, I'm going somewhere with this!
    Are you there now?
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Except that they were Iraqi Sunni's who would have had no interest in anything but supporting their leader Saddam but noooo. Georgi boy Said Saddam's been a bad man. And he was, the question is was he that much "badder" then when this was taken? There is no wiggling out of it there would be no ISIS, no war in Syria and a much less radical ME had GW used his head instead of his butt. You need to come to grips with that. Bush was warned this would happen and laughed it off. Speaking of laughing, I wonder what those two are thinking?

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Are you there now?
    Yep, thanks to you.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    I cannot say due to the fact that I have not visited any alternate time lines. I'm sort of stuck in the time line I'm in. So, "other".
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    I voted "other." The group that became ISIS was originally a Jordanian group, so it could have existed as a low-level terrorist network. I wouldn't be surprised if a similar group would have developed in Syria as a result of the civil war there. Additionally, if Iraq descended into a Syria-esque civil war, it's highly likely that a jihadist movement would enter or form in order to fight on behalf of Saddam's Sunni regime - he'd ally with whoever was available to maintain power, and many high-ranking military officials in ISIS are former Baathist toadies.

    However, I admit that this is nothing more than inference on my part. What I do know was that de-Baathification was a far greater mistake than the invasion itself. More importantly, al-Qaeda in Iraq (ISIS' predecessor) was virtually extinguished by friendly Sunnis when 2008 came around. The sectarian Shia government of Maliki idiotically decided not to integrate these Sunni forces - known as the Awakening Councils or Sons of Iraq - into the security forces and basically told them to go **** themselves. Hence, there were no more local partners in Sunni Iraq to prevent ISIS from spreading. What's essential is that the US keeps such things in mind in any strategy to beat ISIS.
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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

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    Re: Would ISIS exist today if Saddam Hussein was still in power?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So even in his failures, he's late and fails yet again? A double failure? (Akin to double face palm?)

    Imagine that.
    What was the first failure? With regards to the red line, Assad got rid of his chemical weapons. So what are the two failures about which you speak here? Yes, like any other President and person he has had failures, but here I don't know exactly what you are talking about.

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