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Thread: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I think I erred though saying 'none-of-the above' because I think hands down Condi was superior to the others in the 21st century. She did some amazing work negotiating agreements between Palestinians and Israelis and other sticky wicket issues during her tenure as Secretary of State. If the others had anywhere near her knowledge and skills, along with a President with a clue, I think we would be much better off now. After thinking it through, I went back and checked her on the poll.
    Plus she had a lot Cheney and Rumsfield to deal with.....and not like Biden in the gaff and clumsy sense either.

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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    21st Century?
    I couldn't select any of those on the list.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I couldn't select any of those on the list.
    Yeah, but then pick Thomas Jefferson.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I agree. I believe her contribution in assembling the coalition for Afghanistan has been overshadowed by the vicious politics that have ensued...as has been much of her work because of the deliberate connotation of "Bush" as responsible for every Obama ill from Iraq to acne.

    I do swear that Benjamin Franklin could be named postmaster general in the Bush administration and be made into a hopeless loser by the Obama image making machine
    Some of her best work was in negotiating sufficient peace between the Israelis and Palestinians to convince Israel to withdraw from Gaza and similar type compromises and she managed to do it without alienating either group or being conciliatory to terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezzbolah. The lady has some major skills and sufficient intelligence to know how to use them.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Plus she had a lot Cheney and Rumsfield to deal with.....and not like Biden in the gaff and clumsy sense either.
    There is some truth to this too. I have some close friends and a relative working in the Pentagon and they have told me what a relief everybody felt there when Bush defense people took over. The Clinton administration's people working with Defense were ignorant and approached everything with a kindergarten mentality that was extremely frustrating to experienced, knowledgeable defense people. They were very happy getting some adults back into the program. No idea what they think of the Obama administration--I think they are afraid to say anything--but since they aren't saying anything complimentary and most are trying to get transferred somewhere else, I can guess. And it is true that there is a lot of overlap between State and Defense.

    And when you compare Condi Rice's track record as Secretary of State and the numerous successes she can put on her resume and the much better ME relations we had during her tenure, and when you can point to essentially no noteworthy accomplishments whatsoever among the others, Condi was really really good. Madeline Albright was imminently qualified for the position too, but she managed to tick a lot of folks off and can't really point to anything significant that she accomplished. I do remember when she was on her way out that she was urging the next administration to be sure that Saddam destroyed his remaining WMD before there was any talk of lifting the sanctions.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, but then pick Thomas Jefferson.
    No, I'll stick with Kissinger, thanks.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I'll stick with Kissinger, thanks.
    Actually Jefferson was a bit biased toward the French.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Actually Jefferson was a bit biased toward the French.
    Isn't everyone?
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    There is some truth to this too. I have some close friends and a relative working in the Pentagon and they have told me what a relief everybody felt there when Bush defense people took over. The Clinton administration's people working with Defense were ignorant and approached everything with a kindergarten mentality that was extremely frustrating to experienced, knowledgeable defense people. They were very happy getting some adults back into the program. No idea what they think of the Obama administration--I think they are afraid to say anything--but since they aren't saying anything complimentary and most are trying to get transferred somewhere else, I can guess. And it is true that there is a lot of overlap between State and Defense.

    And when you compare Condi Rice's track record as Secretary of State and the numerous successes she can put on her resume and the much better ME relations we had during her tenure, and when you can point to essentially no noteworthy accomplishments whatsoever among the others, Condi was really really good. Madeline Albright was imminently qualified for the position too, but she managed to tick a lot of folks off and can't really point to anything significant that she accomplished. I do remember when she was on her way out that she was urging the next administration to be sure that Saddam destroyed his remaining WMD before there was any talk of lifting the sanctions.
    Sigh. I need to amend a previous statement again--I think senioritis is running on overdrive this morning. . . .

    I said compared to Condi, NONE of the others had any noteworthy successes they can point to on their resumes as Secretary of State. That is pretty much true of Albright and absolutely true of Clinton and Kerry so far has been a national embarrassment. But I have to give Colin Powell props for his leadership during 9/11 and helping handle necessary diplomatic negotiations as we geared up to retaliate against al Qaida and the Taliban--Powell was adamant we had to do that. And he was probably the most instrumental player in negotiations that averted an almost certain shooting war between Pakistan and India early in the Bush administration. So he wasn't a complete bust. But I do think Condi out shined him.
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    Re: Who was the best Secretary of State of the United States in the 21th century?

    Quote Originally Posted by skq View Post
    What do you think about that?
    They all sucked. *drops mic*

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