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Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

Should Israel be required to sign the NPT

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Montecresto said:
You bring up a good point. The president being in charge of foreign policy should have been consulted on that matter. Those that think it shows guts on the part of republicans and a measure of frustration with the president would be raising hell if this was done to a republican president............just pointing out the ever present hypocrisy of the partisan.
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People like Boehner don't give a damn about foreign policy. All he cares about is getting elected and getting money so that he can get drunk, get sun tans, and play golf. Did you see how he came on TV drunk? Inviting Netanboohoo to speak like that will get him points with "the lobby."
 
Montecresto said:
You bring up a good point. The president being in charge of foreign policy should have been consulted on that matter.
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Oy Vey!
There is no good point there.
The President knew before he accepted and as usual, did not respond to being notified.
 
Excon said:
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Oy Vey!
There is no good point there.
The President knew before he accepted and as usual, did not respond to being notified.
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Hey Ex, Reuters is reporting a different version than yours. Guess which one I'm going with.

(Reuters) - When U.S. House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, jolted Washington this week by inviting Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress, his office said it had been done "on behalf of the bipartisan leadership."

In reality, it was among the most partisan moves so far by America's newly Republican-controlled Congress. Fuming Democratic leaders in Congress have said they were not consulted, raising questions over whether Boehner had accurately characterized the nature of his invitation.

Invitation to Netanyahu to address U.S. Congress: When bipartisan means partisan | Reuters
 
Montecresto said:
Hey Ex, Reuters is reporting a different version than yours. Guess which one I'm going with.

(Reuters) - When U.S. House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, a Republican, jolted Washington this week by inviting Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress, his office said it had been done "on behalf of the bipartisan leadership."

In reality, it was among the most partisan moves so far by America's newly Republican-controlled Congress. Fuming Democratic leaders in Congress have said they were not consulted, raising questions over whether Boehner had accurately characterized the nature of his invitation.

Invitation to Netanyahu to address U.S. Congress: When bipartisan means partisan | Reuters
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You can go with them all you want. You would still be wrong.
Obama knew.

Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised)

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The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”
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Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post​



More in depth coverage at NewsBusters.

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On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.”

... When informed of Boehner’s invitation (this year — Ed.), the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra [the Washington Post's Richard] Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

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NY Times Gets Tangled Into White House Fury at Netanyahu​
 
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Oh good gawd. Nobody said Obama wasn't informed that boner had invited Bibi. The criticism is that the boner never consulted with Obama before inviting the trouble maker.
 
joko104 said:
Your statement is false. There is no logic when the core premise is false. Gaza is under Palestinian authority and has been for a decade. Nor does it have "millions" of people.
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In the millions of people I was referring to Palestinians as a whole. Try to do better reading next time.

And Gaza is under Isreali/Egyptian blockade where Palestinians cannot even get light bulbs, steel, cement, glass, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, pasta, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts, shampoo and conditioner. And they are not even allowed to go out of Gaza without specific permission. That is inhuman treatment.

What is accurate is that no country but Israel would withstand constant mortar and rocket attacks against their civilian population and not to total war over it.
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Palestinians are only fighting back because Isreal arrested Hamas members without provocation in the last war. More Palestinian women and children were killed by Isrealis than were suspected gunmen.

White people hating Jews and accusing them for everyone's problems and of every evil secret conspiracy? Very traditional bigotry. Your messages are in that category.
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Criticism of Isreal's policies does not imply racism. Grow up. :roll:
 
Montecresto said:
Prison camp escapee: North Korea won't change its repressive ways
Prison camp escapee: North Korea won't change its repressive ways - CNN.com

OMG. we should all feel so much better, Israel is running prison camps, not camps that concentrate the Palestinians in a couple tight spots.

Btw, channel 2, Israel's most popular news channel heard Cameron's comment and reported it as "concentration camp"!!!
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So you admit that you've twisted his words to suit your antisemitic agenda to portrayal Jews as Nazis. Good for you. :shrug:
 
PoS said:
In the millions of people I was referring to Palestinians as a whole. Try to do better reading next time.

And Gaza is under Isreali/Egyptian blockade where Palestinians cannot even get light bulbs, steel, cement, glass, candles, matches, books, musical instruments, crayons, clothing, shoes, mattresses, sheets, blankets, pasta, tea, coffee, chocolate, nuts, shampoo and conditioner. And they are not even allowed to go out of Gaza without specific permission. That is inhuman treatment.
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First of all no, that may have been so between 2007 and 2009 but since 2009 the only items that are banned are those that Hamas makes use for in building tunnels and rockets. Claiming that such blockade thus is inhuman is inhuman on its own right.
Secondly if they wouldn't engage in terrorism there will be no need for a blockade so clearly you are in the wrong.
The blockade is justified as it protects civilians lives. You want it off not for the Palestinians to have more freedom but for Israelis to be less alive.

Palestinians are only fighting back because Isreal arrested Hamas members without provocation in the last war. More Palestinian women and children were killed by Isrealis than were suspected gunmen.
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Your friends from Hamas are not "fighting back", they are terrorists who are murdering innocent Jews. Israel has every right to defend itself from those who share your agenda and always will have that right. Same goes for Egypt. There's ain't nothing you can do about it.

Criticism of Isreal's policies does not imply racism. Grow up. :roll:
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It's not "criticism of Israel" to cry over the deaths of Islamic terrorists that target Jews for murder for being born Jewish. Neither is it "criticism of Israel" to deny that Hamas and Hezbollah are coldblooded murderers. Both are well documented statements made by you that you have not retracted once. An ISIS or al-Qaeda supporter cannot preach to the US about morality, likewise, you can't preach to Israel.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh good gawd. Nobody said Obama wasn't informed that boner had invited Bibi. The criticism is that the boner never consulted with Obama before inviting the trouble maker.
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:doh Wow a total misstatement as to what you even provided.
I clearly stated that Obama knew prior to any acceptance.
You state the AP says I was wrong.
Unfortunately for you the AP was wrong.
Obama was informed and chose not to respond. Which is the same thing he did previously, which just shows this hoopla is all manufactured bs!
Bs that you obviously buy into. :doh
 
Excon said:
I clearly stated that Obama knew prior to any acceptance.
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So the hell what if he knew or didn't know. It was clearly an attempt to sabotage the President. Boehner is crap.
 
Peter King said:
Yes, but if they do not sign it is no disaster, it is not like they would be willing to share their knowledge with countries that are untrustworthy. Also, they would not do it because that would not be very good for their relationship with the United States.
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Untrustworthy to who? That have been accused of providing the Chinese with U.S. military technology.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Not in the current state. You have to remember that they have neighbors that would march in and wipe them out, if they had the strength to do so. Having nukes is one way they can maintain their sovereignty and safety.

If the landscape were to change, that is, if they were to find acceptance among their neighbors and be recognized as a nation etc etc, THEN I think your question would be open for discussion.

Good topic.
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I have had the chance to think about it a bit. I think they can be made a party to the NPT as a nuclear weapons state if they can prove that they actually had them before the NPT and demonstrate exactly how they were able to produce them. That seems to be the only practical way forward because they are not going to give them up.
 
MildSteel said:
I saw a story that talked about how the U.S. government recently released classified documents on Israel's nuclear program. Since its obvious that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, should they be required to sign the NPT?
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I still hold the position that unless Israel tests their nukes then they do not have them.
 
DDD said:
I still hold the position that unless Israel tests their nukes then they do not have them.
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How do you know they have not tested them? Not only that but would you be willing to have one dropped on you even if they had not?
 
DDD said:
References?
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I don't have any. I am not saying the have tested them, neither I am saying they have not. You said you don't believe they have them until they test them. That means you are saying they have not. Do you have references that state that they have not?

DDD said:
No test no trust, sorry.
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So where's the proof that they have not tested them?
 
MildSteel said:
I don't have any. I am not saying the have tested them, neither I am saying they have not. You said you don't believe they have them until they test them. That means you are saying they have not. Do you have references that state that they have not?
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Interesting, an appeal to the unknown logical fallacy. I did not expect that in non-religious discussions.

Anyway, one cannot prove a negative. If something exists there should be evidence for it. Since there are none for Israel having nukes then they do not have them.

MildSteel said:
So where's the proof that they have not tested them?
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It would have appeared in references.
 
DDD said:
Interesting, an appeal to the unknown logical fallacy. I did not expect that in non-religious discussions.

Anyway, one cannot prove a negative. If something exists there should be evidence for it. Since there are none for Israel having nukes then they do not have them.
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There is all kinds of evidence for it. Are you familiar with the case of Mordechai Vanunu?

Mordechai Vanunu | World news | The Guardian
 
MildSteel said:
So the hell what if he knew or didn't know. It was clearly an attempt to sabotage the President. Boehner is crap.
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Bs. That is the spin they put on it and you bought it hook line and sinker.
Informing the President just shows it was not an an attempt at sabotage. That is a ridiculous claim.
The fact is that Obama ignored it just as he ignored the previous time he was notified again just shows this hoopla is all manufactured bs!
 
Apocalypse said:
First of all no, that may have been so between 2007 and 2009 but since 2009 the only items that are banned are those that Hamas makes use for in building tunnels and rockets.
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Really? Hamas makes rockets out of chocolate and pasta? :screwy

Secondly if they wouldn't engage in terrorism there will be no need for a blockade so clearly you are in the wrong.
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Isreal began a blockade the moment Hamas won the US mandated election in the Gaza strip. So much for Isreal and its love of democracy...

Your friends from Hamas are not "fighting back", they are terrorists who are murdering innocent Jews. Israel has every right to defend itself from those who share your agenda and always will have that right.
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Hamas was abiding with the ceasefire until Isreal broke it since they always break the ceasefire in order to goad Hamas into fighting them so they can keep invading Gaza. Isreal wants to keep bombing Hamas every few years to keep them weak.

It's not "criticism of Israel" to cry over the deaths of Islamic terrorists that target Jews for murder for being born Jewish. Neither is it "criticism of Israel" to deny that Hamas and Hezbollah are coldblooded murderers.
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I havent denied that Hamas and Hezbollah are murderers. Isreal is just as bad as they are, in fact, the disproportionate civilians Isreal kills makes them far far worse.
 
Come now, don't be silly...
 
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