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Thread: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No and let's not pretend that Israel is the same as Iran.
    Its not so much a case about whether they are the same but whether they should be held to the same standard (espicially if one is to enforce said standards on the other)

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I do not think that is a relevant argument. More that everyone has accepted India and Pakistan having the bomb.
    I'm sorry, but I don't understand your comment about precedence earlier then, please explain.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, that's what I meant. Israel is one of our best paid prostitutes in the region. But other than Obama, and maybe Carter, there's been no real push against Israeli expansion. We'd be raising hell if Russia was pushing such expansions.
    Your approval of two U.S. presidents who have proven their resentment of Jews is revealing.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry, but I don't understand your comment about precedence earlier then, please explain.
    If everyone accepts India and Pakistan having nuclear weapons, on what grounds do you push Israel around? They are not threatening us.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Its not so much a case about whether they are the same but whether they should be held to the same standard (espicially if one is to enforce said standards on the other)
    Let us hold them to the standard to which we hold peaceful countries like India.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I saw a story that talked about how the U.S. government recently released classified documents on Israel's nuclear program. Since its obvious that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, should they be required to sign the NPT?
    No.

    I have never understood why any country would sign it, especially when the countries pushing it the most already have nuclear weapons. If I were a leader I would not put my country at that kind of a defensive disadvantage.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Its not so much a case about whether they are the same but whether they should be held to the same standard (espicially if one is to enforce said standards on the other)
    No one forced Iran into signing the NPT so you're not seeking equal standards between Israel and Iran (which is appalling on its own) but for special standards for Israel, as usual. A bit less dishonesty from time to time will be refreshing.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I saw a story that talked about how the U.S. government recently released classified documents on Israel's nuclear program. Since its obvious that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, should they be required to sign the NPT?
    Required by who and what would the benefit of the requirement be?

    Since we are talking about the UN nations here we have to evaluate the "resolution request" and its origin (which was not offered as a requirement.) What we are really talking about here is a resolution that started with Egypt that has plenty of Arab nation support.

    The main problem is it becomes dubious to suggest Israel is the sole problem as to why others in the middle east (and extended areas around) are pursuing the development of nuclear weapons. Primarily, India and Pakistan have not signed the agreement either and they both have them. Secondary, we have question on Iran's interests. Lastly, we are not so sure we can trust Syria in the long run.

    The other problem is the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is inherently flawed. India argued this best, and it goes to the core of why the UN itself is flawed. The agreement basically condones a group of nations to have nuclear weapons and a larger group that does not. To restrict the development and possession of nuclear weapons argues that we trust those nations with them far more than the others, and as such the treaty is discriminatory and not universal in handling all those that sign it. That means there is no such thing as "balance and order" to the possession of these weapons that the treaty claims. We need to start being honest about this, either we all have them with some sort of international safeguard or no one has them at all. The treaty does not accomplish either, nor can it as designed from origination through implementation as of today.

    Because of these concerns there is no real benefit to the region for Israel to subject themselves to the "safeguards" of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency given these flaws. I would even go so far as to suggest the US leave the resolution, clearly our international opposition is suspect no matter what the disposition of the agreement is around the globe. But for Israel, it creates a level of bureaucracy that Israel would have to deal with some of it's strongest enemies that would be associated to that bureaucracy via this flawed agreement. In this case I can clearly see the argument Israel would have about putting their stockpile under international supervision.

    The other thing to keep in mind is how this latest round of using the NPT has played out. Not surprisingly the US voted against the measure, Canada on the other hand voting against it was a bit of a surprise.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hell yes.. since the west almost "requires" countries like Iran and Pakistan to sign up, then why not Israel? After all Israel has actually sold nuclear tech to a hostile nation.. Iran and Pakistan has not..
    Pakistan has not signed the agreement, neither has India. Iran signing it is suspect.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    But, what good would it do?
    It would piss off their leaders...that's worth the price of admission right there.

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