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Thread: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So basically your contention is that Israel should not sign it because it is flawed. So do you think the world should try to do anything about the proliferation of nuclear weapons other than to keep nations that might be hostile to Israel and/or the U.S. from having them?
    What makes you think the UN treaty itself does, or could do, any of this?
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yes I am serious. First of all he didn't say Iran was going to do it, so you are wrong. Next of all you link says

    Your response presumes that his response means he intends to massacre the Jewish people of the region. The quote from your source contradicts your claim.

    No it is not. All that it will do is make it such that Iran will one day indeed build one to stop such strikes. It is possible to do it without detection if you know how, it just would take a very long time. But when seen against the backdrop of an infinite amount of time, it can become a reality. That's why your proposal is bogus.
    I can't believe you're trying to deny that Iran is on record as saying it wants to destroy Israel. So here's another one for you.

    Iran general: 'Our hands are on the trigger' to destroy Israel | The Times of Israel
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post


    There's a huge difference between not trusting America and Israel in general and not trusting America and Israel over backwards, dark regimes such as Iran and North Korea.
    Isreal is as bad or even worse than Iran or North Korea, they keep millions of Palestinians in illegally occupied territories and kill them whenever they feel like it.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Isreal is as bad or even worse than Iran or North Korea, they keep millions of Palestinians in illegally occupied territories and kill them whenever they feel like it.
    According to you, and you are far from being a voice of morality aren't you being a declared supporter of Islamic terror organizations and all.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Isreal is as bad or even worse than Iran or North Korea, they keep millions of Palestinians in illegally occupied territories and kill them whenever they feel like it.
    The ignorance of this statement doesn't even warrant a response, so I had to do a quick little debate in my head to decide if I should respond to say so or not.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    According to you, and you are far from being a voice of morality aren't you being a declared supporter of Islamic terror organizations and all.
    I support Palestinian independence, thats all. As far as terrorism, Isreal has killed far more civilians than her so called enemies have.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    The biggest problem with this thread and the question is the inclusion of the word "required". No nation can require another sovereign and independent nation to sign a treaty. They can cajole, or coerce, or pressure, or maybe even blackmail, but they cannot require.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The ignorance of this statement doesn't even warrant a response, so I had to do a quick little debate in my head to decide if I should respond to say so or not.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I support Palestinian independence, thats all. As far as terrorism, Isreal has killed far more civilians than her so called enemies have.
    Same goes for US, UK, France, etc. versus their enemies.
    Logic is a strong part of your arguments isn't it.
    Last edited by Apocalypse; 02-19-15 at 02:12 PM.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes you are, but not as big allies as you use to be. The US has burnt quite a few bridges over the last 15 years.



    No doubt about that, as long as APIAC is around and which is why the US will always be seen as an Israeli puppet. As for the UK, that relationship with Israel has changed a lot and will change a lot after the next election. Bibi calling for Jews to go to Israel from Europe did not go down well among all established political parties.
    You live in a fantasy land. Allies quibble. They always have, they always will. That doesn't mean they aren't allies.

    Take Germany for example. Without the United States, there would be no unified Germany today. You would still have east and west germany. Do you honestly think a minor spying incident is going to fracture that relationship?

    Instead of focusing on the negative, look at how the Germans and Americans are working together on the Ukraine issue, and on the Russian sanctions issue. Look at the amount of trade going on between the two nations. Germany is on the top tier of US allies. A couple minor disagreements and bumps on the road aren't going to derail a productive working relationship that benefits both countries immensely.

    On the American side, German is the largest ethnic group in the nation. Larger than English, even. Many, many people have family in Germany. The will of the American People is to be friendly with Germany, and for that reason, we are.

    As for Israel, like Germany, they would not exist without the United States. That means they're our allies by necessity, and we support them because they are a stable democracy in the middle east, and we have a large Christian and Jewish population in the United States.

    The fact that you mention APIAC shows you read too many of the wrong kinds of blogs. Lobbying groups are the norm in US politics. Now, we can debate how beneficial that actually is, but the fact is, if there is any kind of organization with any kind of clout at all, there is a lobbying group there to represent their interests.

    There are more Jewish people in the United States than there are in Israel. They also happen to be very successful, as a group, and they punch above their weight class when it comes to lobbying power. There's no doubt about that, but there's also nothing wrong with it, as long as they work within the laws and use the system to their advantage.

    There is nothing stopping Muslim groups from doing the same. They just don't seem to have the same prowess in that way.

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