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Thread: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Seriously?

    Multiple times, over the years. Here's just one:
    Yes I am serious. First of all he didn't say Iran was going to do it, so you are wrong. Next of all you link says

    Of course the elimination of Israel DOES NOT mean the massacre of the Jewish people of this region.
    Your response presumes that his response means he intends to massacre the Jewish people of the region. The quote from your source contradicts your claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Yeah, it is.
    No it is not. All that it will do is make it such that Iran will one day indeed build one to stop such strikes. It is possible to do it without detection if you know how, it just would take a very long time. But when seen against the backdrop of an infinite amount of time, it can become a reality. That's why your proposal is bogus.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Even without funding, we still have treaties. Read about treaties in the Constitution, it's difficult to just ignore them.
    We don't have to fund them neither do we have to keep shielding them in the U.N. and shielding their nuclear program. It is simply not worth the trouble.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    (1)Equal means equal trust.

    (2) Eh? Germany and France were correct about Iraq.. They objected to an invasion because there was no just cause, especially on the grounds that the US/UK were pushing.. which were lies upon lies.. something the Germans and the French had warned the US government many times. The French had told the US that the Niger yellowcake story was bogus, the Germans had told the US that the Iraqis had destroyed their WMD.. but were ignored.

    (3) What did Germany and especially France get thrown in their face? Renaming French Fries (even though they come from Belgium) to a spike in insults that continue to this day.

    Some? HAHA you mean the US government and the GOP.. that is not "some".

    (4) LOL you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Denmark is hardly a "free rider", as it not only for a long while followed the US blindly (till the US screwed that up), but has allowed on the cheap, US forces to be on Danish soil for 60+ years, polluting Danish people and land with god knows what. We freakingly forced moved citizens for the US military on their request and without any compensation. And what did the US do.. defy our agreement on no nuclear weapons on Danish soil.. On top of that, without Denmark during the cold war, the US would never have been able to contain the Russian fleet as it did, especially in the early days.
    (1) That is an odd way to define "equal". I do not understand, what you mean.

    (2) The question of having been right or wrong is quite a different one, than the negotiations and game theory implications of how Putin, Chirac and Schröder influenced the outcome and is quite mute in the context we were speaking. What is important here, it that their line of negotiating made the invasion more probable and not less so. That would make quite a bit of sense, considering the multipolar strategy Chirac tended towards and of which Putin is a strong proponent. For Schröder the driver was probably different, though, I think we may assume that he knew quite well, that he was making the war more probable. When all is said and done, had Schröder wanted to prevent war and not be reelected, he would have acted quite a bit differently.

    (3) Nobody ever said that American Senators don't do childish things from time to time. But in fact, they were quite right, that the French/German alignment with Putin in a situation of international security was a de facto enemy act. What is intersting is that the French and German political elite seem to have realized how badly they harmed themselves and have significantly changed their stances in accord. Whether they will be able to maintain the more rational approach is still open, as their populations are poorly educated in these things and certainly do not want to have to pay for their share of maintaining international security.

    (4) Just look at the military expenditures. Nato members have a formal agreement to spending. Denmark has in not one single year spent, what it committed to. Not paying your dues is free riding by definition.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    When exactly did Iran promise to destroy Israel?

    So your solution is to attack Iran from now until the end of eternity to keep them from having a nuclear program? Do you actually think that is practical? That is not a practical solution to the problem.
    Actually, I do remember a number of times, where the then PM of Iran promised that and similar stuff. But you can google that as easily as I.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I was thinking that it would be like being married to Jennifer Aniston but paying Angelina Jolie to be a live in the same house prostitute. First of all you would have to constantly keep the two from fighting, and next of all for what you would have to pay Angelina Jolie, the sex would not be worth it.
    I do not know that I understand your argument, but I am pretty sure you are right, when you say that Ms Jolie can probably make more money with movies than with sex.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, I do remember a number of times, where the then PM of Iran promised that and similar stuff. But you can google that as easily as I.
    Although I am aware of what Ahmadinejad allegedly said, he did not say that Iran was going to destroy Israel.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I do not know that I understand your argument, but I am pretty sure you are right, when you say that Ms Jolie can probably make more money with movies than with sex.
    No you don't understand. What I am saying is that what one would have to pay her to do it would not be worth that amount of money for the sex that one would get in return.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No, that's not true. But what is true is that you have an irrational bias towards Israel. It appears you feel they can do no wrong and bear no responsibility whatsoever for the problems in the Middle East. That is irrational bias. That is the truth. Now if you don't feel that way, and understand that Israel does indeed do wrong and bears some of the responsibility for the problems in the Middle East, then I stand corrected.
    Since you have nothing to base that weird claim of yours on, my earlier conclusion that you would label anyone who will question your delusional and radical world views as an "irrational" and an "extremely biased" person remains true. Your earlier claim that Jewish-Americans, who make 2% of the American population, are dictating (not influencing, dictating) American policies only strengthens that conclusion. You are a radical, conspiracy theorist, and quite frankly a huge waste of bandwidth.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Heckling the other team while supporting your own is not hypocrisy.
    it's more like one team making repeated three-point shots while and then whining each time that the other team attempts one because it is against the rules of the game

    Likewise Isreal trying to deny Iran nukes while protecting it's own is not hypocrisy. We do all play by the same rules but those rules aren't what you think they are.
    when one complains about another doing the same thing the whining one is engaged in, then that's hypocrisy
    if the circumstances were reversed and iran covertly had the bomb yet tried to sway public opinion that those dastardly israelis had no right to that same weapon, it would be just as wrong

    And if Isreal does sign the treaty, they're fully justified in carrying out a black nuke program. Isreal has a moral blank check to do absolutely whatever it needs to do to survive.
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    and so does iran
    why is israel more entitled than iran?
    your double standard is showing
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow, it's both totally supportable, and a utopian dream, lol.
    Well, the two are not mutually exclusive. The total abolition of war is another such Utopian ambition. Highly desirable, but at best on a far horizon.

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    I suggest you peruse Einstein's many debates and thought experiments with Bohr at Solvay.


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