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Thread: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Einstein had his share of foibles. The cosmological constant and quantum mechanics come to mind.
    I may not understand what you mean, but Einstein was not responsible for quantum mechanics. That was more the work of Erwin Schrodinger.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So anyone who doesn't agree with your radical world views is an extremely biased irrational person.
    There's nothing wrong about you clearly. [/sarcasm]
    No, that's not true. But what is true is that you have an irrational bias towards Israel. It appears you feel they can do no wrong and bear no responsibility whatsoever for the problems in the Middle East. That is irrational bias. That is the truth. Now if you don't feel that way, and understand that Israel does indeed do wrong and bears some of the responsibility for the problems in the Middle East, then I stand corrected.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    What do you mean by "equals" in this context?
    Equal means equal trust.

    As far as Germany and France helping Putin steep the game towards an invasion of Iraq, it was indeed a an act not of "disloyalty", but of callousness and/or enmity. A lot of people do not understand enough about negotiation and game theories to have picked that up, believing in, what is said and not looking behind the words for effects and intent. But one would come to understand that, were they to do the maths on the situation back then. Most are too lazy, however, or to little educated.
    Eh? Germany and France were correct about Iraq.. They objected to an invasion because there was no just cause, especially on the grounds that the US/UK were pushing.. which were lies upon lies.. something the Germans and the French had warned the US government many times. The French had told the US that the Niger yellowcake story was bogus, the Germans had told the US that the Iraqis had destroyed their WMD.. but were ignored.

    What did Germany and especially France get thrown in their face? Renaming French Fries (even though they come from Belgium) to a spike in insults that continue to this day.

    But you are right that some in the US misinterpreted Schröder/Chirac to have been "disloyal" instead of just understanding that that is the nature of the scorpion. You just have to keep an eye on nations. They tend to be loose cannons.
    Some? HAHA you mean the US government and the GOP.. that is not "some".

    Where you would be right, if we had a system of robust and believably general security enforcement with r2p at the global level with the appropriate legal recourse and all that, we should have general standards of weaponry. But that is something that would only be logically consistent under those circumstances. Until countries are willing to stop free riding and initiate, maintain and pay for that type of system it would only make the world more dangerous. Lots of people argue the way you do. But that is always from a position with no responsibility for international security for themselves or others and where the security is paid for by others.

    Denmark BTW is not the worst offender in this, but are one of the free riders and does not honor its treaty spending obligations nor has it for very many years.
    LOL you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Denmark is hardly a "free rider", as it not only for a long while followed the US blindly (till the US screwed that up), but has allowed on the cheap, US forces to be on Danish soil for 60+ years, polluting Danish people and land with god knows what. We freakingly forced moved citizens for the US military on their request and without any compensation. And what did the US do.. defy our agreement on no nuclear weapons on Danish soil.. On top of that, without Denmark during the cold war, the US would never have been able to contain the Russian fleet as it did, especially in the early days.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So I ask again, why trust Israel or the US with nukes more than other countries? Should there not be equal standards on the subject?
    Listen, Iran is a terrorist state and has promised to destroy Israel and threatens the U.S. Letting Iran have nukes is akin to letting Hitler get the bomb.

    The time is coming when Israel is going to have to do what Obummer and the European Community are too morally weak to do - take out Iran's nuclear program. I support Israel whacking terrorist Iran to keep them from getting nukes.

    And you'd better be glad the U.S. has had the 'bomb' for all these years or you people would be speaking Russian.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Allies are equals. Europe has never been treated as equals and when they forced the issue, then the US called countries like France and Germany as disloyal and all that bull****. Just look at when the UK pulled out of Iraq, how the attitude towards the UK suddenly changed overnight. They went from being key competent allies to being incompetent baffons.. classy.

    As I stated.. trust has to be earned and gained. It can also easily be lost. The "special relationship" with the UK is only as special as long as the UK is in the EU.. that has been US policy since Reagan when Thatcher threatened to leave.. it is no different today. Is that a real ally or a bully in a so called complicated marriage?

    So I ask again, why trust Israel or the US with nukes more than other countries? Should there not be equal standards on the subject?
    I'm sorry but a country that's smaller than one of our states is not our equal. That's even meashurable in terms of military power and GDP.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Listen, Iran is a terrorist state and has promised to destroy Israel and threatens the U.S. Letting Iran have nukes is akin to letting Hitler get the bomb.
    When exactly did Iran promise to destroy Israel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    The time is coming when Israel is going to have to do what Obummer and the European Community are too morally weak to do - take out Iran's nuclear program. I support Israel whacking terrorist Iran to keep them from getting nukes.
    So your solution is to attack Iran from now until the end of eternity to keep them from having a nuclear program? Do you actually think that is practical? That is not a practical solution to the problem.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, that's what I meant. Israel is one of our best paid prostitutes in the region. But other than Obama, and maybe Carter, there's been no real push against Israeli expansion. We'd be raising hell if Russia was pushing such expansions.
    I was thinking that it would be like being married to Jennifer Aniston but paying Angelina Jolie to be a live in the same house prostitute. First of all you would have to constantly keep the two from fighting, and next of all for what you would have to pay Angelina Jolie, the sex would not be worth it.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    When exactly did Iran promise to destroy Israel?
    Seriously?

    Multiple times, over the years. Here's just one:

    Khamenei Threatens to Annihilate Israel – After Obama Sends Him Secret Letter | The Gateway Pundit

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post

    So your solution is to attack Iran from now until the end of eternity to keep them from having a nuclear program? Do you actually think that is practical? That is not a practical solution to the problem.
    Yeah, it is. It keeps terrorist state Iran from incinerating millions.

    Perhaps someday, if Iran matures and starts acting like a responsible citizen in world affairs, we can relax our concerns for them. But not now.

    I promise you Israel is going to whack Iran to keep them from getting the bomb, and I hope they do a real thorough job of it.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You give him too much credit, I'm sure he thinks Israel's worse.
    Those evil jews, is that it?
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No. Israel can look after it's own interests without our support. They create more problems for the U.S. than they solve. It simply is not worth it.
    Even without funding, we still have treaties. Read about treaties in the Constitution, it's difficult to just ignore them.
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