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Thread: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No and let's not pretend that Israel is the same as Iran.
    Pete thinks they are.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The U.S. needs to stop shielding and funding Israel. It's simply not worth it.
    Yeah yeah, as soon as Russia stops helping Iran, right?
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The same can be said of Iran.
    Not really.
    In your case you've brought up a quote of Ariel Sharon saying things that he never intended on following with. He talks about Jewish morality and how it backfires on Israel according to him and how if it didn't exist Israel would be allowed to defend itself more fiercely, but during his time as PM did he follow any of that? No, he did the opposite of that. He was the one responsible for the withdrawal from Gaza. So it's empty propaganda on your side and nothing more. On Iran however, its leaders are actually following with the agenda dictated by their words - they claim the US is the big Satan and that Israel is the small Satan, and indeed they've been known to support anti-American and anti-Israeli terror organizations for years to this very day. They are a backwards and dark regime and attempting to defend them by claiming that their words are taken out of context the same way you did with Sharon here is shamefully immoral. There is no basis for comparison between any of the Western democracies and the Iranian government. None at all.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Total nuclear disarmament has not occurred during the past 70 years of the nuclear age. There is no international instrument currently available to remedy this situation. So yes, at this juncture total nuclear disarmament is a Utopian dream. That said, I would totally support such an initiative.


    It is possible, but not likely. Einstein had his share of foibles. The cosmological constant and quantum mechanics come to mind.
    Wow, it's both totally supportable, and a utopian dream, lol. And dismissing Einstein, oh boy.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What I meant was do you think nuclear NON proliferation is practical? If you understood me properly and that's your response, it appears you feel that there is nothing the world should try to do about the proliferation of nuclear weapons except to let nations do whatever is in their power to keep other nations that are hostile to their interests from having them.
    Every nation wants to prevent nations that are hostile to them from having them (if they can).

    I'm right there with you on the warm-and-fuzzy desire to diminish (and/or eliminate) nuclear weapons, but as long as those who already have them insist on keeping them, I simply don't see it as being practical, so I'm choosing the side of practical reality.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah yeah, as soon as Russia stops helping Iran, right?
    No. Israel can look after it's own interests without our support. They create more problems for the U.S. than they solve. It simply is not worth it.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Not really.
    In your case you've brought up a quote of Ariel Sharon saying things that he never intended on following with. He talks about Jewish morality and how it backfires on Israel according to him and how if it didn't exist Israel would be allowed to defend itself more fiercely, but during his time as PM did he follow any of that? No, he did the opposite of that. He was the one responsible for the withdrawal from Gaza. So it's empty propaganda on your side and nothing more. On Iran however, its leaders are actually following with the agenda dictated by their words - they claim the US is the big Satan and that Israel is the small Satan, and indeed they've been known to support anti-American and anti-Israeli terror organizations for years to this very day. They are a backwards and dark regime and attempting to defend them by claiming that their words are taken out of context the same way you did with Sharon here is shamefully immoral. There is no basis for comparison between any of the Western democracies and the Iranian government. None at all.
    The question was context. And you are wrong. Iran needs to be seen in context, but that is something that you don't want to do because of your extreme, irrational bias towards Israel.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Every nation wants to prevent nations that are hostile to them from having them (if they can).

    I'm right there with you on the warm-and-fuzzy desire to diminish (and/or eliminate) nuclear weapons, but as long as those who already have them insist on keeping them, I simply don't see it as being practical, so I'm choosing the side of practical reality.
    I understand what you mean. That said, I think we need to give it a shot. The human race made a big mistake here. I hope it will not result in our destruction, or at least the destruction of human civilization as we know it today.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Pete thinks they are.
    You give him too much credit, I'm sure he thinks Israel's worse.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The question was context. And you are wrong. Iran needs to be seen in context, but that is something that you don't want to do because of your extreme, irrational bias towards Israel.
    So anyone who doesn't agree with your radical world views is an extremely biased irrational person.
    There's nothing wrong about you clearly. [/sarcasm]
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