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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Not officially in public, but there is no way Khan could have transferred Pakistani nuclear secrets (the Pakistani government refers to their nuclear technology as - our national pearls) without the ISI and the government being aware of his foreign undertakings.
    ISI involvement is a given, but ISI does not mean government. The ISI is pretty much rogue and has been for a very long time. Just look at their support in hiding Bin Laden... next to their military academy pretty much.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    First what we agree on. If one signs a treaty it should apply to all that sign. If this is not the case, however, there can be different optimizing stragegies one can legitimately follow. Which to choose might depend on the circumstances. This is true also vs non signatories. There is no reason for instance to treat declared enemies wanting nukes the same as others. As a matter of fact, without further reasons, it would be silly to waste resources on fighting the ally.
    What ally? Israel? HAHAHAHA you have got to be kidding. Israel is no ally of the US.. at best a tolerated accomplice in a sea of hostile fish. Allies dont attack your military. Allies dont spy on you and plant moles in your intelligence organisations. Allies dont assassinate people in friendly countries.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The refuge of the forlorn fanatic: "The only reason people haven't adopted my way of thinking is because they are all bought and paid for!". It honestly makes them feel better about the irrelevancy of their conspiratorial worldview.
    I have noticed that you like to lean on this little deceptive device to discredit legitimate observations. Although they may be on the wane, it has been noted by many credible sources of the considerable influence that AIPAC and the Israel lobby has on Congress. I'm sure you have heard of Dick Durbin. Here's something of interest

    “There was a real desire to help Findley out of Congress,” Asher said. He identified an obscure Democratic lawyer in Springfield, Richard Durbin, as someone who could defeat Findley. “We met at my apartment in Chicago, and I recruited him to run for Congress,” he recalled. “I probed his views and I explained things that I had learned mostly from aipac. I wanted to make sure we were supporting someone who was not only against Paul Findley but also a friend of Israel.”

    Asher went on, “He beat Findley with a lot of help from Jews, in-state and out-of-state. Now, how did the Jewish money find him? I travelled around the country talking about how we had the opportunity to defeat someone unfriendly to Israel. And the gates opened.” Durbin, who went on to win a Senate seat, is now the Democratic whip. He is a fierce critic of Bush’s Iraq policy but, like aipac, generally supports the Administration’s approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Durbin says that he considers Asher to be his “most loyal friend in the Jewish community.”

    Mayer Mitchell led a similar campaign, three years ago, to defeat Earl Hilliard, an Alabama congressman who was a critic of Israel. Mitchell helped direct support to a young Harvard Law School graduate named Artur Davis, who challenged Hilliard in the Democratic primary, and he solicited donations from aipac supporters across America. Davis won the primary, and the seat. “I asked Bubba how he felt after Davis won,” Asher said, “and he said, ‘Just like you did when Durbin got elected.’ ” Mitchell declined to comment.

    aipac’s leaders can be immoderately frank about the group’s influence. At dinner that night with Steven Rosen, I mentioned a controversy that had enveloped aipac in 1992. David Steiner, a New Jersey real-estate developer who was then serving as aipac’s president, was caught on tape boasting that he had “cut a deal” with the Administration of George H. W. Bush to provide more aid to Israel. Steiner also said that he was “negotiating” with the incoming Clinton Administration over the appointment of a pro-Israel Secretary of State. “We have a dozen people in his”—Clinton’s—“headquarters . . . and they are all going to get big jobs,” Steiner said. Soon after the tape’s existence was disclosed, Steiner resigned his post. I asked Rosen if aipac suffered a loss of influence after the Steiner affair. A half smile appeared on his face, and he pushed a napkin across the table. “You see this napkin?” he said. “In twenty-four hours, we could have the signatures of seventy senators on this napkin.”
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Posting a lie accomplishes nothing. At no time did I post any advocacy of using nuclear weapons, did I? The existence of nuclear weapons is not advocating usage of them any more than owning a firearm is advocating shooting people.

    Ukraine is defeated. They have lose both their breadbasket and industrial base to Russian invasion, reducing them to - at best - perpetual paupers and beggars to Russia for fuel, to the West and to the East for more loans and to sell off Ukraine land to. To merely survive - as in not starving and freezing to death - Ukraine is selling of huge tracts of land that technically is still in their control.

    Ukraine is finished. Whether any part of it remains a 3rd world mini servitude independent country to shove all the unwanted into or not remains to be seen.
    To the bolded, yes you DID!

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    Originally Posted by joko104
    And Ukraine is paying for it now in deaths and being militarily defeated and, essentially, eliminated as a country. If Ukraine has 6 nuclear warheads there wouldn't be a Russian soldier in Ukraine now.

    If Israel gave up their atomic weapons they slaughtered. But plenty of people want exactly that. Curiously, increasingly it has become liberals who support making that possible.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hell yes.. since the west almost "requires" countries like Iran and Pakistan to sign up, then why not Israel? After all Israel has actually sold nuclear tech to a hostile nation.. Iran and Pakistan has not..
    India has not signed and neither has Pakistan.
    Pakistan has shared nuclear technology with Iran and Syria. Where do you think Iran and Syria got their info, aside from N Korea.
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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I saw a story that talked about how the U.S. government recently released classified documents on Israel's nuclear program. Since its obvious that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, should they be required to sign the NPT?
    Not in the current state. You have to remember that they have neighbors that would march in and wipe them out, if they had the strength to do so. Having nukes is one way they can maintain their sovereignty and safety.

    If the landscape were to change, that is, if they were to find acceptance among their neighbors and be recognized as a nation etc etc, THEN I think your question would be open for discussion.

    Good topic.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What ally? Israel? HAHAHAHA you have got to be kidding. Israel is no ally of the US.. at best a tolerated accomplice in a sea of hostile fish. Allies dont attack your military. Allies dont spy on you and plant moles in your intelligence organisations. Allies dont assassinate people in friendly countries.
    Didn't the US spy on Germany? We're still allies. Nations spy on each other. It's not that big of a deal.

    Much as it displeases Muslims around the world, the US/UK and Israel are strong allies, and will continue to be so for a long time.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded, yes you DID!

    Right here!!!!

    Originally Posted by joko104
    And Ukraine is paying for it now in deaths and being militarily defeated and, essentially, eliminated as a country. If Ukraine has 6 nuclear warheads there wouldn't be a Russian soldier in Ukraine now.

    If Israel gave up their atomic weapons they slaughtered. But plenty of people want exactly that. Curiously, increasingly it has become liberals who support making that possible.
    Once again, a lie. Nothing in that message of mine advocated Ukraine using nuclear weapons.

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    re: Should Israel be required to sign the NPT? [W:348]

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I saw a story that talked about how the U.S. government recently released classified documents on Israel's nuclear program. Since its obvious that Israel has a nuclear weapons program, should they be required to sign the NPT?
    In my opinion, the answer is yes. Israel should be required to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty. If everyone else has to sign such, why shouldn't Israel? During the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah conflict, Israel used white phosphorus, a chemical element which burns the skin when used as an incendiary weapon against the enemy. Condoleezza Rice, then Secretary of State, admonished Israel against using such a weapon in that war with Hezbollah. Many Lebanese were treated at the hospital for burns caused by white phosphorus. There should be no exceptions to the rule of NPT.

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