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Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

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AGENT J said:
yes the fed will pass the bill/law but there will be no permit or license issued by the fed like you are concerned and misunderstood :shrug:
this isnt a hard concept lol simply read the bill and article
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Ok. I guess I was confused.

Out of curiosity, what license were you talking about in the OP then?
 
faithful_servant said:
Could you give us an example of how carrying a gun would violate someone else's rights... Not trying to be belligerent, just looking for some context (after that, I might get a little belligerent :D)
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Carrying a weapon onto private property with out the owner's permission.

It really does not matter what amendment freedom one wishes to practice (one of the first or the second), one needs the consent of the property owner to do so on private property. With out it, the owner's right to property is being negated. Of course, the same owner can easily give permission for people to excersize the second amendment freedom, or hold a church service, a protest etc. on his property.
 
faithful_servant said:
Could you give us an example of how carrying a gun would violate someone else's rights... Not trying to be belligerent, just looking for some context (after that, I might get a little belligerent :D)
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just like you have a right to carry a firearm, another person has a right to his property.

he has the right to deny you the exercising of a right on that property.

it is impossible to exercise a right over another right.

it is impossible to exercise a privilege over a right......[but its happening in america as we speak].
 
Lutherf said:
Ok. I guess I was confused.

Out of curiosity, what license were you talking about in the OP then?
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Uhm the same licenses the bill and articles are talking about lol
I don't understand the question?

some states call it a license to carry . . . .some call it a concealed weapons permit and there are probably other variants

its just like drivers licenses . . . . .my pa drivers license is good in every state
 
AGENT J said:
Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

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I of course do and always have. I have stated this many times here over the years.
Ayway there have been movements for this and bills etc and now they are trying again.

John Cornyn: My bill treats gun carry permits like driver's licenses

NRA Backs Senate's 2015 Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act - Katie Pavlich

Please save any opinions on outlawing guns etc I'm just looking for views on this one aspect.

These types of laws violate the constitution IMO and many have ruined peoples lives or come damn close. One story that comes to mine was a PA resident (a mother of two who had been robbed a couple times) that went to NJ for a kids birthday party. She was pulled over for a lane change violation and stated she had a gun in her purse and her carry permit. Being that NJ doesnt have reciprocity laws that recognize PA's carry permit she faced felony charges and 10 years in prison! Thats crap any way you slice it.

This is something that needs fixed now. Its a shame that fighting against gun laws that violate rights isnt as easy as fighting against other unconstitutional laws because many of the gun laws make you a felon.
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If people have the constitutional right to bear arms then they automatically also have other rights that emanate from that basic right, such as the right to keep the guns with you when you travel, the right to also own ammunition, to buy and sell guns and ammo, and so on.

So yes, if we assume that states have the right to license concealed carry (that such licensing does not interfere too much with the 2nd Amendment) then there should be reciprocity with other states.

If a state passed a law that said that people can own guns, but they can't take guns with them when they leave their homes, it would be a violation of the 2nd amendment because it's tantamount to rendering the 2nd amendment null and void if such a law stands.
 
Ha, what do you know here is an article actually talking about the story I was referring too:

https://personalliberty.com/senate-...ross-state-lines-reciprocity-drivers-license/

You may recall the case of Shaneen Allen, a woman from Pennsylvania who was stopped for a lane-change violation in New Jersey — only to end up facing 10 years in prison, all because she told the police at the scene about the pistol she carried in her purse and showed them her Pennsylvania carry license. Allen was on her way to a kid’s birthday party in New Jersey. A mother of two, she’d been robbed twice in the past before determining that getting herself a firearm and learning how to use it was probably a smart idea. Like more than a dozen other states, New Jersey doesn’t recognize other states’ concealed carry laws, even for people just passing through. Atlantic County, N.J., prosecutor Jim McClain — “the same prosecutor who let Ray Rice off with pretrial diversion” — allowed the case to build toward a trial and had remained adamant that Allen would face a count of illegal possession of a firearm and another count for possession of illegal ammunition. Helped along by some public shaming, he finally reversed himself last September, allowing Allen to instead enter into a pretrial diversion program.

Fast-forward to now: A Senate Republican has introduced a reciprocity bill that would impose on every state a legal obligation to recognize the concealed carry permits of travelers hailing from any other state where they obtained their concealed carry permits.The so-called Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act (CCCRA), according to Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), the bill’s sponsor, is intended specifically to “eliminate some of the ‘gotcha moments,’ where people inadvertently cross state lines” without realizing that doing so can automatically make them a potential criminal. “This operates more or less like a driver’s license,” Cornyn told The Hill. “So, for example, if you have a driver’s license in Texas, you can drive in New York, in Utah and other places, subject to the laws of those states.” Cornyn sponsored a similar bill in 2013, and it fell only three votes short of passing the then-Democratic-controlled Senate.
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I hope it passes!!!!!!
 
Even though I don't think either the Federal government or the State governments have the lawful authority to require a license to carry, I voted Yes-- because national recognition of all concealed carry licenses is a damn sight better than the inexcusable mess we have now.
 
No but other states should recognize each other's permits.
 
Lutherf said:
I don't think a permit should be required at all.
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^5

If you can legally own a gun, why cant you legally carry it (concealed or openly?)
 
AGENT J said:
Please save any opinions on outlawing guns etc I'm just looking for views on this one aspect.

These types of laws violate the constitution IMO and many have ruined peoples lives or come damn close. One story that comes to mine was a PA resident (a mother of two who had been robbed a couple times) that went to NJ for a kids birthday party. She was pulled over for a lane change violation and stated she had a gun in her purse and her carry permit. Being that NJ doesnt have reciprocity laws that recognize PA's carry permit she faced felony charges and 10 years in prison! Thats crap any way you slice it.

This is something that needs fixed now. Its a shame that fighting against gun laws that violate rights isnt as easy as fighting against other unconstitutional laws because many of the gun laws make you a felon.
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One should not need a license/permit to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.Last I checked it was the bill of rights not the bill privileges. At the same time I support national reciprocity for carrying firearms.
 
Much like I think a marriage liscence granted in one state should be respected and treated as legitimate in another state, regardless of the second states stance on whether or not they would've issued said liscence, I would think the same thing here.

If the state in question ALLOWS concealed carry in any fashion, I would think that it should respect the concealed carry liscenses of any other state.

If it simply does not allow concealed carry in any fashin, then I'd be more open to allowing them to not accept concealed carry liscenses from other states.

You would be subject to utilizing that liscense in accordance with the laws in that state, but you should be treated as having said liscense.

If Maryland has a harder test to get a driver's liscense than Virginia, that doesn't mean I can't drive in maryland with my virginia driver's liscense. The state of Maryland still must respect that I am liscensed to drive in Virginia, and thus I am liscensed to drive in their state as well. However, I must adhere to their rules and regulations regarding driving on their roads, and if I'm ignorant of those laws and run afoul of them then that's my own fault.

Similarly, if it's easier to be liscensed to conceal carry in Virginia then it is in Maryland, that's too bad. Maryland should respect my concealed carry liscense if they offer one as well. HOWEVER, if I'm concealed carrying in maryland I need to be doing so in accordance with their laws and regulations. And ignorance of said laws isn't an excuse.
 
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That is a VERY dangerous concept and no, I do NOT want a national gun license - because that then also will become more national gun restrictions.

Do you REALLY want New Jersey politicians having ANY say over YOUR gun rights? Yet with a national law, that is exactly what happens.
 
joko104 said:
That is a VERY dangerous concept and no, I do NOT want a national gun license - because that then also will become more national gun restrictions.

Do you REALLY want New Jersey politicians having ANY say over YOUR gun rights? Yet with a national law, that is exactly what happens.
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try reading the OP, articles (links) and bill again
nobody is talking about a national gun license, thanks
 
No, I do not, because I don't believe we should have to have a permit to carry a gun.
 
AGENT J said:
try reading the OP, articles (links) and bill again
nobody is talking about a national gun license, thanks
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I read the OP. Once the federal government becomes involved in anyway in CW permits, the door is open to the federal government then continuing to set the requirements for one.

Remember, when started income tax was ONLY to be 2% and ONLY against the top 1% of the population - promising that is all it would ever be.

The government always starts to take control by minimally getting it's foot in the door. And then continue to grab more and more power with more restrictions. That is the entire history of the federal government on gun control laws and regulations. Why would this be any different?
 
Lutherf said:
That would probably need to be done on a state by state basis.

My contention is that if the FedGov has to issue a license to carry concealed then the right to keep and bear arms has already been infringed. If I was going to vote for any kind of fed permit it would have to allow universal carry. I'm talking planes, schools, the White House, you name it.
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Interesting...good to bring up: there are states that dont require a permit to cc....what happens with those states/people?
 
Lutherf said:
Well if it's about reciprocity laws then each state would have to approve it. I figure that makes it a state by state issue.
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Does each state have to agree to recognized other state's marriages (maybe) or drivers' licenses?
 
ernst barkmann said:
while i agree you should be able to carry a firearm, it not possible to carry it wherever you wish, because that would violate the rights of others.

but my question really had to do with, does anyone think we need a piece of paper from government to carry?
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It it illegal to carry your opinions (First Amendment rights) anywhere?
 
Cryptic said:
Carrying a weapon onto private property with out the owner's permission.

It really does not matter what amendment freedom one wishes to practice (one of the first or the second), one needs the consent of the property owner to do so on private property. With out it, the owner's right to property is being negated. Of course, the same owner can easily give permission for people to excersize the second amendment freedom, or hold a church service, a protest etc. on his property.
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How does that infringe on their rights? Do you have to ask everywhere you go?Is it ok if a person doesnt have a sign up on their home or business? How does it does it infringe if they are not aware of it, anymore than they are aware of your political or religious views, for ex., if they dont know you have it? Are gay people infringing on every Christian's rights when they enter their home or business? Only if the Christians are aware of it? And what if they dont?
 
Interesting...does someone's property rights supersede my right to privacy (looking in my purse when I enter a home or business?) We know that some 'events' and venues do, as do some places like courthouses and federal buildings.
 
joko104 said:
I read the OP. Once the federal government becomes involved in anyway in CW permits, the door is open to the federal government then continuing to set the requirements for one.

Remember, when started income tax was ONLY to be 2% and ONLY against the top 1% of the population - promising that is all it would ever be.

The government always starts to take control by minimally getting it's foot in the door. And then continue to grab more and more power with more restrictions. That is the entire history of the federal government on gun control laws and regulations. Why would this be any different?
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obviously you still didn't read the OP or you don't understand it, pick one. :shrug:
The fed is NOT getting involved in the actual process, they want to make is so licenses/permits are recognized by each states like a drivers licenses. Meaning since i have my license to carry in PA (which would still be 100% PA controlled) NJ would have to recognize it and honor it
Like I said, re-read the OP, articles and bill because you didn't or don't understand it
 
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