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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree 100% but thats not the question
    That is exactly the issue.
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    life and liberty are not exercisable.....because you cannot die today and live tomorrow.

    i can own a firearm today and keep its for years, then sell it and be without one for years, then buy another so i am exercising the right off and on, it the same with free speech or protesting i can choose to do them or not.
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    Liberty is exercisable and the various levels of govt can remove it for cause and do so all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Disarming me needlessly is a threat to my safety.
    Exactly, unless he or a business owner can guarantee my right to life on their property.
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I dont know why this concept is so contentious: In a free swociety, I have no authority to force property owners let me practice any amendment freedom on their private property. It does not matter whether I wish to carry a weapon, hold a church service, distribute poltical fliers, publish a newspaper, or give a speech.

    Rather, I need the owner's permission to do any of these things. The owner then decides whether or not he wants to give me permission. A refusal can be for any reason, or for no stated reason. Likewise the owner can set conditions on the permission: "pass out the political fliers away from the door", "pistols are OK, but no rifles allowed here", "no megaphones" etc
    Cool, and if I dont know the property owner's wishes, I do what I want. I most certainly never assume a person hates Christians, gays, guns, etc.

    If it's a business, again, they arent responsible for my right to life...*I am*. And unless they are planning on guaranteeing it, I will exercise my right *privately*. Let's face it, if they have security, it's to protect them and *their property.* Not my life.
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    on my property you have no right to bear a firearm, you have a choice leave the firearm outside or do not enter my property.....its your freedom of choice.
    Slightly tangential...is that your personal choice on your property?
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Anyone have any idea on how this might be handled? Speculation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Interesting...good to bring up: there are states that dont require a permit to cc....what happens with those states/people?
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Like with gay marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Much like I think a marriage liscence granted in one state should be respected and treated as legitimate in another state, regardless of the second states stance on whether or not they would've issued said liscence, I would think the same thing here.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Interesting...good to bring up: there are states that dont require a permit to cc....what happens with those states/people?
    To my understanding, those people would not be covered becuase they've not been issued some form of public record.

    IF national reciprocity was enforced by the feds, what you'd likely see is states that don't require a permit to CC to begin issuing permits that likely simply affirm the persons ability to conceal carry as opposed to being inherently required to do so in that state. Essentially, you don't need a permit to CC in that state, but the state will issue you a permit as a public record noting you have the ability to conceal carry in that state.

    Also a note...if a state does not allow for CC in typical fashion and has no such permit process, then they would not be forced to reciprocate. It would only be if the state has some kind of permit process allowing for CC.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    I'd support a bill like that in principle. Article IV, sec. 1 requires each state to "give full faith and credit" to the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state." But the same section qualifies that requirement, by giving Congress power to make laws that "prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effects thereof."

    This federal law, as I understand it, would prescribe what effect a state's concealed-carry law was to have in other states.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    To my understanding, those people would not be covered becuase they've not been issued some form of public record.

    IF national reciprocity was enforced by the feds, what you'd likely see is states that don't require a permit to CC to begin issuing permits that likely simply affirm the persons ability to conceal carry as opposed to being inherently required to do so in that state. Essentially, you don't need a permit to CC in that state, but the state will issue you a permit as a public record noting you have the ability to conceal carry in that state.

    Also a note...if a state does not allow for CC in typical fashion and has no such permit process, then they would not be forced to reciprocate. It would only be if the state has some kind of permit process allowing for CC.
    Interesting. States that dont require a cc permit have the standard that you must just be legally allowed to own a gun. In my own state, there are no other requirements than that either, except the state chooses the option to verify that for the permit. (Fingerprint/background check). A fairly small distinction but it does give them the ability to track people and data.

    I prefer no permit but I'd take our method if they did create an acceptable national reciprocity law.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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