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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    life and liberty are not exercisable.....because you cannot die today and live tomorrow.

    i can own a firearm today and keep its for years, then sell it and be without one for years, then buy another so i am exercising the right off and on, it the same with free speech or protesting i can choose to do them or not.

    government is created to secure property of every sort, it has no authoirty to dicate private property for the public or not, unless it causes a violation of someone rights, or threaten the health and saftey of the public.


    Disarming me needlessly is a threat to my safety.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How does that infringe on their rights? Do you have to ask everywhere you go?Is it ok if a person doesnt have a sign up on their home or business? How does it does it infringe if they are not aware of it, anymore than they are aware of your political or religious views, for ex., if they dont know you have it? Are gay people infringing on every Christian's rights when they enter their home or business? Only if the Christians are aware of it? And what if they dont?
    I dont know why this concept is so contentious: In a free swociety, I have no authority to force property owners let me practice any amendment freedom on their private property. It does not matter whether I wish to carry a weapon, hold a church service, distribute poltical fliers, publish a newspaper, or give a speech.

    Rather, I need the owner's permission to do any of these things. The owner then decides whether or not he wants to give me permission. A refusal can be for any reason, or for no stated reason. Likewise the owner can set conditions on the permission: "pass out the political fliers away from the door", "pistols are OK, but no rifles allowed here", "no megaphones" etc

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Disarming me needlessly is a threat to my safety.
    on my property you have no right to bear a firearm, you have a choice leave the firearm outside or do not enter my property.....its your freedom of choice.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    the first question that should be aksed, when two rights come into conflict is..........."who's property are we talking about".

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    States should be free to set up reciprocity between themselves. The only exception would be uniform rules for transporting firearms across a state for the purposes of going from one state to another.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Luther, I love ya bro, but I think you're letting "perfect" be the enemy of "good" and "better".


    Principle is all very well and good, but we live in a democratic republic where compromise is necessary to achieve political gains.


    Think about the public relations coup AGAIN when the anti's scream "blood in the streets! Wild West!!1!" ... and AGAIN it doesn't happen...
    I guess where I'm coming from is that if a permit must be issued then I'd prefer that the states choose how/whether to do so than to hand that authority over to the feds as well. I like the option of moving to a state where they believe in liberty if I need to but if this whole thing is dictated by the feds we'll all be screwed.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Disarming me needlessly is a threat to my safety.
    The ability to excersize any amendment freedom (carry a weapon, hold a church service, hold a poltical protest etc.) is always at the discretion of the property owner. As no one is obligated to enter the property, there is no restriction on rights, and any threats to safety are taken voluntarily.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when you are on the property of another person you have no exercisable rights......none.
    So I am carrying my First Amendment rights with me at all time. If I exercise them, and you dont like what I say, you can ask me to leave. However you have no idea what my opinion is on any issue until I express it. Same with my religion. I am a Christian....if you object to Christians in your home, and dont know I'm a Christian....I am still exercising my right to practice my religious beliefs....but if you see my cross necklace and object, you can ask me to leave.

    Same thing if I am concealing my firearm. If you learn, somehow, that I am carrying it, you can ask me to leave. And I would. My firearm is no different than my 'beliefs'
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post

    I lean towards the idea that we have a national concealed carry permit that works everywhere, but I do think it would be smart to require a safety course first before you receive it.

    Very much the wrong direction IMO. That gives the feds the control over the requirements for the permits. Some states dont even have permits. Some only require a background check. In states where training is required, it's different in every state...no one knows how much training is 'enough.'

    It gives the feds more power, period. And mandatory training requirements have not been shown to make any difference in gun incidents/accidents so we dont need them adding that bs either.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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