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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I consider private property that is not normally open to the public, and private property that IS open to the public, two different categories.
    There is no fundamental difference between the two when it comes to whether or not I can excersize my amendment freedoms with out your permission:

    -I want to pass out religous fliers in your hardware store, then hold a prayer service outside (its a strip mall, so the side walk is private property. Do I need to ask your permission about passing out the fliers in your store? Would I need the permission of the owner of the strip mall to hold my prayer services on the side walk?

    -Likewise, I am thinking about holding a poltical rally at your restraraunt. Should I ask your permission first?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Also, if the property is owned by one's employer, one is OBLIGED to enter the property in order to perform one's job. Because the "balance of power" favors the employer in such situations, it is well established that the gov't protect the employee from abuse by the employer... hence OSHA, etc.
    Nobody has an inherent "right" to work for a particular employer. Thus, nobody is really obligated to enter that property as they can seek another job. If they choose to work there, they must realize that the employer can restrict some, or all of their amendment freedoms on the property. Granted the employer must follow OSHA rules, but he can still restrict the amendment freedoms of his employees.

    Your statement seems to advocate some kind of social rights in regards to employment. Though deep blue states may adhere to some of the principles, red states tend to reject the idea of "I "need" to work here, therefore, I am being forced to enter this property, therefore I have social rights "a", "b" and "c".

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Which is one reason we have laws in may state saying an employer may not forbid you from keeping your gun in your automobile, even though it may be parked in the employer's owned lot.
    My state is one of those states. An employer must allow employees to keep weapons in their cars. In my opinion, those laws are unconstitutional as they void property rights of the owner. In addition, they are based on blue state concepts that Texas tends to reject. I sincerely hope somebody challenges them.
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    There is no fundamental difference between the two when it comes to whether or not I can excersize my amendment freedoms with out your permission:

    -I want to pass out religous fliers in your hardware store, then hold a prayer service outside (its a strip mall, so the side walk is private property. Do I need to ask your permission about passing out the fliers in your store? Would I need the permission of the owner of the strip mall to hold my prayer services on the side walk?

    -Likewise, I am thinking about holding a poltical rally at your restraraunt. Should I ask your permission first?

    Your examples don't compare to going armed, as they compare things that could be disruptive to something that isn't.


    Can an employer forbid me from praying silently at my work station? Pretty sure the answer is no.
    Can an employer forbid me from having political flyers in my briefcase that I intend to pass out later after I have left work? Doubtful.
    Should my employer be able to forbid me from having a concealed weapon about my person, that no one will see or hear or experience unless there is an emergency threatening my life? These three questions are more alike.

    Your examples are more comparable to brandishing or shooting the weapon, which would be illegal absent a justifying threat.


    The only legit reasons for an employer to ban CC on premises involve special security concerns such as apply at prisons, or environmental dangers like high-pressure pipes carrying chemicals or steam that could be disasterous if penetrated.






    Nobody has an inherent "right" to work for a particular employer. Thus, nobody is really obligated to enter that property as they can seek another job. If they choose to work there, they must realize that the employer can restrict some, or all of their amendment freedoms on the property. Granted the employer must follow OSHA rules, but he can still restrict the amendment freedoms of his employees.

    Your statement seems to advocate some kind of social rights in regards to employment. Though deep blue states may adhere to some of the principles, red states tend to reject the idea of "I "need" to work here, therefore, I am being forced to enter this property, therefore I have social rights "a", "b" and "c".


    My state is one of those states. An employer must allow employees to keep weapons in their cars. In my opinion, those laws are unconstitutional as they void property rights of the owner. In addition, they are based on blue state concepts that Texas tends to reject. I sincerely hope somebody challenges them.

    That's fine in theory. IN practice, most employers are operating out of the same playbook, and ban CC because their lawyers and insurance tell them to, and the employee's options to "just find another job where things are different" are highly limited.

    Different story if they were held accountable for employee and visitors security.
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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    To further Goshin's point, I'm really sick and tired of insurance companies effectively writing the laws about what I can and can't do-- I never voted for them.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    To further Goshin's point, I'm really sick and tired of insurance companies effectively writing the laws about what I can and can't do-- I never voted for them.
    youth sports organization rules are now all written by insurance companies as well



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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    To further Goshin's point, I'm really sick and tired of insurance companies effectively writing the laws about what I can and can't do-- I never voted for them.
    well they don't write the laws, they bribe congress to construct laws to benefit their companies......to solve this problem, return to a true republic, repeal the 17th amendment.

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    Good Lord, who keeps spamming all the polls??? 155 votes for no, and about six or seven of them actually have accounts here!
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    Pepe Booth strikes again.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    I think no license required anywhere at all, having the feds make a national license just digs the regulatory hole deeper.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well they don't write the laws, they bribe congress to construct laws to benefit their companies......to solve this problem, return to a true republic, repeal the 17th amendment.
    In what possible way would that reduce the corporations' power to control the government?

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    In what possible way would that reduce the corporations' power to control the government?
    easy... because the congress the way it is now both house of congress are democracies.

    before the 17th amendment the senate was an aristocracy,

    the house represents the people, the senate represents the state legislatures......both have different interest.

    the house being a democracy is collective and able to be bribed by special interst.

    the senate [pre17th] is not collective, the senators vote according to how their state legislature tells them to vote.....the senators are not independent to vote how they wish.

    for the senate to be bribed by special interest group, special interest would have to visit at least 26 state legislatures of 26 states to buy their vote, that would be thousands people, special interest would have to bribe......its almost impossible

    all 50 state legislatures comprise about 7000 people.

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    Re: Do you think a concealed carry license should be national like a drivers license?

    So the corporations just buy the State legislatures and control the Senate that way.

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