View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have two memories like that - I was at home, after school, watching TV when President Kennedy was assassinated. I was 7. The second was being at the office and watching the 9/11 attacks and feeling very uneasy, watching the second plane go into the second tower, watching people jump and not realizing it right away and then being sick thinking about it - it was a scary day.
    My parents always said they would never forget where they were when Kennedy was shot. I know I'll never forget where I was on 9/11. I was on a conference call with my boss and a prospective customer. I even remember who that prospect was. The people who worked for me were running around outside of my office. I was pissed because they knew it was an important call. When I was finished I whipped open my door and they were crying.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Well not just Caucasians. We can throw gay rights in as well.

    However, even today, minorities get a lot of flack for being here. For living in impoverished areas and acting like impoverished people do. Black and Hispanics are still overwhelming incarcerated and profiled. However in this day in age cops can't get away with it as easily as they could in 1985.


    Also the black rights movement was only a little over twenty years ago at 1985. So the racial animosity was still pretty fresh.
    Yeah, I wasn't really around then so I can't say, but I can't think of any major sweeping legislation or anything that has occurred since 1985 that has really done anything to change race relations or make minorities any better/worse off relatively speaking.

    All the problems minorities have today, they had back in 1985 too. I can't think of any that they had in '85 that you could say are solved today.

    I guess you could say that there are more minorities today, so there is strength in numbers. Certainly, you see it in cultural areas - look at TV from the 80's and everyone was white except the Cosby family. Today, everyone is a minority except Miley Cyrus.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Not in the United States is poverty down. In 1985 it was 14%. In 2013 it was 14.5%.
    Either we have redefined poverty, or trickle down hasn't worked too well. I suspect a little of both.

    But a couple of things that has always stood out to me are our cars and homes.

    During the '70's most every little town had at least one terribly run down and impoverished section, with houses that were wrapped with what his basically "roll roofing" with a brick or stone design on it. Few of those houses had central HVAC, most were so rotted that they literally had holes in the sides of the house and buckets inside to catch rainwater from the leaks in the roof. We still have run down areas today, but the housing is generally much better.

    Same with cars. In the '70's it seems like about half the cars on the road were junkers with rust holes in the body and poring black smoke from the tailpipe. Now, most cars are fairly nice, and I rarely see rust holes or black fumes.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yeah, I wasn't really around then so I can't say, but I can't think of any major sweeping legislation or anything that has occurred since 1985 that has really done anything to change race relations or make minorities any better/worse off relatively speaking.



    I guess you could say that there are more minorities today, so there is strength in numbers. Certainly, you see it in cultural areas - look at TV from the 80's and everyone was white except the Cosby family. Today, everyone is a minority except Miley Cyrus.
    I wasn't speaking in terms of legislation. but in terms of a minorities living in a country comprised of a majority race who rather recently resented any race other than that of the majority. As time has pushed forward the relations with whites existing with minorities has improved greatly. So, for instance, being black today is easier than being black back then.

    All the problems minorities have today, they had back in 1985 too. I can't think of any that they had in '85 that you could say are solved today.
    I wouldn't say anything is solved, it's just improved. Again more so in regards to racial relations - not legislation.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    My parents always said they would never forget where they were when Kennedy was shot. I know I'll never forget where I was on 9/11. I was on a conference call with my boss and a prospective customer. I even remember who that prospect was. The people who worked for me were running around outside of my office. I was pissed because they knew it was an important call. When I was finished I whipped open my door and they were crying.
    I remember picking up my kid from school, and him asking "did something bad happen today?" He was in elementary school, and the school decided not to tell the students, but somehow he knew that things weren't OK.

    I pretty much sat at work all day watching the news on the internet, I don't think I accomplished a thing.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I remember picking up my kid from school, and him asking "did something bad happen today?" He was in elementary school, and the school decided not to tell the students, but somehow he knew that things weren't OK.

    I pretty much sat at work all day watching the news on the internet, I don't think I accomplished a thing.
    My kids' school didn't tell them either. My middle one was in preschool and my eldest was in Kindergarten. The schools felt it was best for the parents to say what happened but my kindergartner told me his teacher came back from lunch and her eyes were red. The youngest had just come out of the hospital and he was home with my husband.

    Yup, for me, nothing happened the rest of the day.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Can't wait until my husband gets home. I want to ask him this same question - although I know what his answer will be. Same as mine. 1985 baby!

    Fun thread Grimm, thanks for the walk down memory lane.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    My kids' school didn't tell them either. My middle one was in preschool and my eldest was in Kindergarten. The schools felt it was best for the parents to say what happened but my kindergartner told me his teacher came back from lunch and her eyes were red. The youngest had just come out of the hospital and he was home with my husband.

    Yup, for me, nothing happened the rest of the day.
    I was in 5th grade when that happened. They didn't tell us either; they just sent us home with a note that the PTA meeting was cancelled that night due to the day's events. When we asked questions about what happened they didn't tell us anything except that our parents would know what happened. Then of course, some kids asked what if their parents didn't know and the teacher just said they would.

    I'm kind of glad I was so young. I didn't really understand what was happening, but I did have a small bit of fear; though, that was quelled pretty quickly. I didn't get a realization of the horrific nature of what happened that day until a few years ago. It must have been completely terrifying at the time.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sorry, I don't have access to a time machine to send you back to 1985 to compare.

    We didn't have smart phones and Xbox in 1985. We didn't have spell check either. I had to type my senior college honors thesis on an IBM Selectric 2 typewriter. It wasn't checking my words usage or my spelling.
    I was in high school in '85. My point was that kids spell just fine... they read books A LOT... they don't waste their days texting... we played video games then just as they do now... the same few that were "losers" or those who couldn't spell back them would be the same percentage now.
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