View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
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    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I certainly agree about how "peaceful" things were but I think it was better than it is now.

    In 1985 you had Iraq and Iran doing their thing and a bunch of stuff going on in Central America but the Soviet Union was in decline and that was a mighty big deal. We weren't sure how the whole thing would come out in the wash but we'd seen significant changed in Poland and were pretty optimistic that a similar reconciliation would happen with the USSR. For me it is really the optimism that is the key difference. In the mid 80's we were on a huge upswing politically and economically.
    I agree, better than now. I disagree we knew in 85 that the USSR was in decline, I recall they were allegedly wining the arms race, the space race and so forth. Expo 86 was a Commie show on how great they were....

    And I totally agree about the renewed confidence. The late 70's were the saddest times I had ever seen, a nation near defeated with citizens being tortured, and powerless to do anything about it.

    From 1980 on...the US grew and became what she had always been. And as much as I hated his policies at the time, today I eat crow gladly in saying Ronald Reagan is the greatest president of the century.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm looking at these poll results and all I can think is "You friggin punk kids!! Get the hell off my grass!!"
    Same here... the older we get the more most people can't deal with the change.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm not American so I've no real stake here or party political axe to grind. However I wonder if you guys have ever seen whats called the misery index. Its the economic graph of unemployment added to inflation rates so the higher the peak the more grim was the economic outlook for Americans. Obviously when trying to objectively assess what really were the 'good ole days' economic factors will have a considerable bearing. Here is a graph of this index since 1948 and as you can clearly see. Life during the Carter administration wasn't the greatest. I hope you find this interesting

    Attachment 67180604
    That is interesting. And no, life during the Carter administration was anything but great, which is why he lost in 1980 so badly. It wasn't even just limited to a lousy economy, it was a general feeling, or mood. Not good at all. That also explains the extremely deep dive that misery index takes when Carter leaves and Reagan comes in.

    Clinton and Bush 43 also saw some pretty dramatic dips in the index as well in their terms. The Eisenhower spike in 1958 surprises me.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I agree, better than now. I disagree we knew in 85 that the USSR was in decline, I recall they were allegedly wining the arms race, the space race and so forth. Expo 86 was a Commie show on how great they were....
    They were behind in the space race once the first Apollo mission went... and in 85 the USSR was not in decline noticeably but that was the beginning. Afghanistan and Gorbechev starting reforms in 85 lead to the downfall of the USSR.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay.
    Yoiu ignore the rest? What a complete and utter intelectual coward you are. Man, I just lost a ton of respect for you tres. Oh well...
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If I was best known for this mess I'd have done a lot of drugs too -

    HAHAH thanks for making my ears bleed. I had managed to NOT post that song.

    Gah. No wonder he almost killed himself on drugs. That was bad. Almost as bad as Kristy McNichol singing. Or Scott Baio.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I agree, better than now. I disagree we knew in 85 that the USSR was in decline, I recall they were allegedly wining the arms race, the space race and so forth. Expo 86 was a Commie show on how great they were....

    And I totally agree about the renewed confidence. The late 70's were the saddest times I had ever seen, a nation near defeated with citizens being tortured, and powerless to do anything about it.

    From 1980 on...the US grew and became what she had always been. And as much as I hated his policies at the time, today I eat crow gladly in saying Ronald Reagan is the greatest president of the century.
    My take was that after Breshnev died the Soviets had Andropov and Chernenko who didn't live long enough to make a difference. Then Gorbachev came along and there was a real sense that Western principles of governance were going to have a significant impact on the Soviet Bloc. Prior to that they were obviously bogged down in Afghanistan and that HAD to make people think that any incursion into NATO territory (except nuclear) would be even less successful.

    Maybe they weren't in decline at the time but they damned sure weren't getting any stronger.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yoiu ignore the rest? What a complete and utter intelectual coward you are. Man, I just lost a ton of respect for you tres. Oh well...
    I don't post here to get your respect, so losing it isn't anything I care about really. But if it makes you feel better assuming I do, and saying you feel "sorry for me" (that did make me laugh), carry on. In perfect kid land! Say hi to all the great kids for me, and I'll stay here with the - what was it again? - fat lazy dullards.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Given the poll for 2015 has shot up by 120 votes in just the last couple of hours when before 1985 held a slight advantage would appear to be more indicative of the particular age demographic using the forum at a certain time of day than anything else.

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