View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I can tell you in 1985 I never once thought about the Soviet Union, not once.
    Really?

    I was active duty at that point and thought about them quite a bit!

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    I'm not American so I've no real stake here or party political axe to grind. However I wonder if you guys have ever seen whats called the misery index. Its the economic graph of unemployment added to inflation rates so the higher the peak the more grim was the economic outlook for Americans. Obviously when trying to objectively assess what really were the 'good ole days' economic factors will have a considerable bearing. Here is a graph of this index since 1948 and as you can clearly see. Life during the Carter administration wasn't the greatest. I hope you find this interesting

    1985 vs 2015-us_misery_index_dec_2014-jpg
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You're right. I'm the only person in the world who has run across kids who can't spell because they rely on computers, and I'm most definitely the only person in the world who thinks kids spend too much time playing video games, unlike the kids of decades ago who used to play outdoors. Maybe someday the rest of the world will see these things too. And someone might actually say it.


    You change the qualifications... that's cute. You said kids in a general way and I countered in a general way. You are now saying, "running across kids" as in that there are exceptions.

    Of course some kids play too much on X-Box. Some kids text too much. Some kids don't play outside. Thing is... that is how it ALWAYS has been. In 85 some kids played too much Atari. Some sat inside and didn't play outside. Some kids talked on the phone too much. So what?

    You are wrong about Atari.
    You are wrong about kids not reading anymore.
    You are wrong about kids not playing outside.

    Kids do all these things as I pointed out. I have, mostly girls, who sit and read ALL DAY LONG at school. If I didn't make the stop reading they wouldn't do any school work. Out of 150 or so students that I have there are about 10 who text too much, if that. Before school, during break, during lunch and after school there are kids running on the fields participating in chase games, soccer, handball, etc. EVERY DAY. Sports teams are flourishing. When I go home there are kids biking around, building tree houses, playing at the beach in the water or building dams, etc.

    I get essays that do not look like, "b4 he ran 2 the stor he fel aslepe" and where they write coherently...

    Apparently you live in a place where kids are fat and lazy... where dullard children wallow about speaking gibberish while mis-spelling everything.

    Originally Posted by tres borrachos
    Kids knew how to spell because we didn't have spell check. We all read. We knew how to actually talk because we didn't text all day long. We played outdoors instead of sitting on Xbox.
    We didn't have smart phones and Xbox in 1985. We didn't have spell check either. I had to type my senior college honors thesis on an IBM Selectric 2 typewriter. It wasn't checking my words usage or my spelling.

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    I was in high school in '85. My point was that kids spell just fine... they read books A LOT... they don't waste their days texting... we played video games then just as they do now... the same few that were "losers" or those who couldn't spell back them would be the same percentage now.

    Originally Posted by tres borrachos
    That's good. You must be around perfect kids.
    You must have lived in an interesting place in 1985 considering most houses didn't have home consoles then, and Atari and Sega weren't available in North America until after 1986.

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    Nope. Normal high school kids of all ranges... and nope, I lived in
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I'm not American so I've no real stake here or party political axe to grind. However I wonder if you guys have ever seen whats called the misery index. Its the economic graph of unemployment added to inflation rates so the higher the peak the more grim was the economic outlook for Americans. Obviously when trying to objectively assess what really were the 'good ole days' economic factors will have a considerable bearing. Here is a graph of this index since 1948 and as you can clearly see. Life during the Carter administration wasn't the greatest. I hope you find this interesting

    1985 vs 2015-us_misery_index_dec_2014-jpg
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Those of us that were coming into our own in the mid '80s were optimistic about the future. I know at a few points I had 3 jobs and loved it.

    I don't think the youth of today can say they are optimistic about their future.

    I think that is the big difference between then and now.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I'm looking at these poll results and all I can think is "You friggin punk kids!! Get the hell off my grass!!"

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'm looking at these poll results and all I can think is "You friggin punk kids!! Get the hell off my grass!!"
    Yeah yeah Gramps. .....

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Really?

    I was active duty at that point and thought about them quite a bit!
    Hmmm

    Name someone from that time that didn't?

    To say now that all was well is bull****. Anyone who attended Expo 86 and the side show between the USSR and the US, would know just how tense it was. "peace" was no a concept any of us lived with and when Reagan [I say deliberately] said "we will bomb them at noon" in a level check for radio, the world tensed and kind of stopped for a half day. Being in a room with both was like being an onlooker to a a car crash in the making

    Anyone who saw the Berlin Wall crumble a few years later, many of us cried, would say the USSR was not a threat to the North American way of life.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Hmmm

    Name someone from that time that didn't?

    To say now that all was well is bull****. Anyone who attended Expo 86 and the side show between the USSR and the US, would know just how tense it was. "peace" was no a concept any of us lived with and when Reagan [I say deliberately] said "we will bomb them at noon" in a level check for radio, the world tensed and kind of stopped for a half day. Being in a room with both was like being an onlooker to a a car crash in the making

    Anyone who saw the Berlin Wall crumble a few years later, many of us cried, would say the USSR was not a threat to the North American way of life.
    I certainly agree about how "peaceful" things were but I think it was better than it is now.

    In 1985 you had Iraq and Iran doing their thing and a bunch of stuff going on in Central America but the Soviet Union was in decline and that was a mighty big deal. We weren't sure how the whole thing would come out in the wash but we'd seen significant changed in Poland and were pretty optimistic that a similar reconciliation would happen with the USSR. For me it is really the optimism that is the key difference. In the mid 80's we were on a huge upswing politically and economically.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    The 1970s were an economic 'perfect storm.' Artificially high energy prices feeding inflation, right alongside more automation in manufacturing AND more globalization as Europe and Asia rebuilt their factories after WWII.
    I've certainly seen some grim documentaries about New York going bankrupt at that time. Its hard to imagine that things like Studio 54 emerging there given the economic gloom that beset Americas biggest city back then. When they made the movie Taxi Driver there in the winter of 75/76 and The Warriors in 79 it really looked like a nightmare place to live

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