View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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  • 1985 was better overall

    31 14.09%
  • 2015 is better overall

    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Really? You are really suggesting a high quality pre-school experience won't improve outcome? I guess this is where we agree to disagree.
    Show me where govt run preschool has improved long term outcomes. I am familiar with Head Start, and it does not.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I keep hearing that! I was a baby at the time, but this is certainly the worst I remember.
    I remember the Carter years well, although I was still a child. The biggest two reasons he is/was thought to be a failure was because of some American citizens who were held hostage in Iran, and OPEC embargoes on oil.

    But as far as economics (outside of the price of oil), our economy did pretty darned well under Carter:

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Sounds like revisionist history by over compensating your band list

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    but this to me is the one of the best songs of that decade

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Show me where govt run preschool has improved long term outcomes. I am familiar with Head Start, and it does not.
    I'm not a fan of Head Start. Our pre-school program was top notch. We also had highly trained teachers which I can't say the same for Head Start. I did an observation there and it appeared more like a daycare than anything else.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I wasn't quite 5 yet in 1985.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I remember the Carter years well, although I was still a child. The biggest two reasons he is/was thought to be a failure was because of some American citizens who were held hostage in Iran, and OPEC embargoes on oil.

    But as far as economics (outside of the price of oil), our economy did pretty darned well under Carter:

    Didn't he leave as we were experiencing a recession?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm not a fan of Head Start. Our pre-school program was top notch. We also had highly trained teachers which I can't say the same for Head Start. I did an observation there and it appeared more like a daycare than anything else.
    Can you show me a study where preschool has improved outcomes?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Can you show me a study where preschool has improved outcomes?
    What I do have is data from kids coming into school. Those that had a pre-school background consistently score higher on the Brigance than those that did not attend.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What I do have is data from kids coming into school. Those that had a pre-school background consistently score higher on the Brigance than those that did not attend.
    Do you see why I can't support a mandate based on your anecdotal experience?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I remember not being able to see the sky in the 80's when I was growing up in LA. Crime was high, the music was bad, the women were ugly, and international flights were expensive. Would much rather live in 2015.
    I don't have proof for any of this, but you have to wonder.

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