View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
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    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Think back, did you ever see a poor student cheating? I probably did more than those who did well. Cheaters in school, and later in life are not restricted to one particular class of student.
    Yes, but rich kids cheated too.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Actually come to think about it, I did not like people trying to cheat when I was in college. It really used to annoy me. I remember I made one guy very, very mad because I would not give him answers on a test.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    IMHO, I think the biggest reason we are at the top is because of very strict standards on who can enter the field, and also the training involved to hold ones licensure. We took a page from how many top performing counties do well and quality of teacher does without a doubt counts. We do have our problems and a big one is how we educate our poorest students. We also have an inequality issue in the state. I believe (along with many other educators in the state) we have abandoned these children.
    Its interesting to me that you appear aware that high standards of excellence and competition have benefited your profession, due to the quality of product it might produce, but dont extend that to schools in general.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Actually come to think about it, I did not like people trying to cheat when I was in college. It really used to annoy me. I remember I made one guy very, very mad because I would not give him answers on a test.
    It pissed me off too. I once had a young married couple offer me $500 to take their biology final for them. They failed out soon after.

    Separating effort from reward is my problem, as is being incompetent in the medical field where you can hurt or kill someone.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And when that "fairness" means holding back some like the achievers?
    Frankly we probably would do better elevating them, while we babysit the rest.
    Theres nowhere to go but up as is.
    I'm beginning to suspect that you just had a bad experience in a bad school.

    In my school district, the high schools have several different levels of classes. There are the vocational classes, the "technical prep" classes (to prepare student for post-high school vocational training), the "college prep" classes, the honors classes, the AP classes, and they even bus high schoolers to local college for "duel credit" classes that count towards both high school and college. Our highest performing students can graduate high school with their freshman year of college or half of an associated degree at our community college already completed.

    Students with repeated behavior problems are sent to the county "alternative school", which is basically a "last chance" facility that doesn't put up with any crap before they expel students.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yes, but rich kids cheated too.
    Thats what I said.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It pissed me off too. I once had a young married couple offer me $500 to take their biology final for them. They failed out soon after.

    Separating effort from reward is my problem, as is being incompetent in the medical field where you can hurt or kill someone.
    Yeah I remember spending hours everyday studying calculus. Then somebody wants me to give them answers? Sorry.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats what I said.
    That is right. Sorry.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'm beginning to suspect that you just had a bad experience in a bad school.

    In my school district, the high schools have several different levels of classes. There are the vocational classes, the "technical prep" classes (to prepare student for post-high school vocational training), the "college prep" classes, the honors classes, the AP classes, and they even bus high schoolers to local college for "duel credit" classes that count towards both high school and college. Our highest performing students can graduate high school with their freshman year of college or half of an associated degree at our community college already completed.

    Students with repeated behavior problems are sent to the county "alternative school", which is basically a "last chance" facility that doesn't put up with any crap before they expel students.
    Well I benefited-my mother was a teacher, and she had ways to get me into the better teachers classes.

    What you describe is a concept I described to my mom years ago, but I used the term "educational triage".

    Her, and several other teachers (many mine, as my mom is friends with them to this day) I ran the idea by essentially said some mix of its being not fair, bad for self esteem, or it didn't provide roll models for the less capable students. I asked how it was the better performing students job to do that-and never got a cogent answer.

    Educating children isnt an insurmountable task, we've done it better before. Thomas Sowell says he received an excellent education in Harlem in the 40's and 50's. Yes, the home environment is a critical factor-but one schools can't control.

    We need to change course, where we are headed isn't working.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its interesting to me that you appear aware that high standards of excellence and competition have benefited your profession, due to the quality of product it might produce, but dont extend that to schools in general.
    Our charter schools are zapping money from poorer schools so that is an issue. The positive is our well trained profession. Maybe you didn't read my post.

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