View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
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    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I took AP classes for the grades, you got an extra point above each letter grade for AP, and because it would get college credit if you did well on the AP exams.

    But I did take standard classes, and it was like being in the class in gangsters paradise, lean on me, etc.
    I just went to regular public schools, in pretty average small town places. For the most part, I didn't have any gangsters in any of my classes. You must have grown up in the inner city.

    You can't prop people up forever, eventually its sink or swim time, and education should reflect that. **** kids can't even give me change at the drive through anymore.
    I agree. I guess that's why we allow students to drop out of school after a particular age. But just because some kids drop out, or fail to learn, doesn't mean that we shouldn't give all students the opportunity to learn. Most don't drop out, and most do learn, and most can give correct change. Like you keep saying, there will always be a few losers.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats another liberal myth-you must find some explanation why things to meet your preconceptions-and so you namedrop cheating.

    I was a good student, and better in college-and I did not cheat. Things couldn't be equal if you tried.

    And something to consider-there has been documented cheating by teachers to raise scores for underperforming schools.
    When I was in college I was almost at the top of my class. I did not cheat, although I did copy some homework for a stupid class that I really did not need but was required to take anyway.

    My point is that holding back achievers is not fair. However, I have seen that sometimes so called achievers will do anything, including cheating and other unfair means to achieve their goals. In that case, the government may have a role to play.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We do here, and its an active adversary in preventing higher scores (more money never works), increasing competition, etc.
    Why in the world do you continue to live in a state that you dislike so much? Maybe you should vote with your feet.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    No one has suggested equal outcomes, only equal opportunities.
    We largely do-but you can roll a poo around in glitter and it is what it is.
    The outcomes wont make you happy-people do things differently. Life turns out differently.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    There were decidedly less middle aged white men with misplaced anger spelling America with a K in 1985.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I just went to regular public schools, in pretty average small town places. For the most part, I didn't have any gangsters in any of my classes. You must have grown up in the inner city.



    I agree. I guess that's why we allow students to drop out of school after a particular age. But just because some kids drop out, or fail to learn, doesn't mean that we shouldn't give all students the opportunity to learn. Most don't drop out, and most do learn, and most can give correct change. Like you keep saying, there will always be a few losers.
    Outskirts of LA, so it was all kinds of students.

    Im not saying deny anyone opportunity-Im saying its its not being utilized, why not try another path that might be helpful?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There were decidedly less middle aged white men with misplaced anger spelling America with a K in 1985.
    Lolz.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    When I was in college I was almost at the top of my class. I did not cheat, although I did copy some homework for a stupid class that I really did not need but was required to take anyway.

    My point is that holding back achievers is not fair. However, I have seen that sometimes so called achievers will do anything, including cheating and other unfair means to achieve their goals. In that case, the government may have a role to play.
    Think back, did you ever see a poor student cheating? I probably did more than those who did well. Cheaters in school, and later in life are not restricted to one particular class of student.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    What's funny is that my state is considered near the bottom of the barrel in education, and yours is at the top.

    Maybe the reason why we have a bad education system in SC is because we put so many resources into vocational training. I'm not super big on vocational training, as most "vo" students never get a job in the field they train in. Who really wants an 18 year old fixing their car, or working on their plumbing? Most vo students end up getting a minimum wage job, and few of them are qualified to attend college because they spent half their high school time learning about cosmetology or small engine repair.
    IMHO, I think the biggest reason we are at the top is because of very strict standards on who can enter the field, and also the training involved to hold ones licensure. We took a page from how many top performing counties do well and quality of teacher does without a doubt counts. We do have our problems and a big one is how we educate our poorest students. We also have an inequality issue in the state. I believe (along with many other educators in the state) we have abandoned these children.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    1985/86 I was at the top of my career, Expo 86 was in the works here and I was lead gun at my station, covering first an unexpected leadership campaign and then a six week election, I was on the road most of a year.

    I miss being able to simply board an airplane or enter the US with a driver's license, I do not miss the play of the Canucks in that era. I do like the convenience of cell phones, but not the intrusion they have become. I would not give up the internet for anything in that era. I did like the fashions of that day over what I see here now, and back then women had grace and charm; they have become hard and often cynical, at least here.

    I do not find the threat of terror to be much different than the threat of global nuclear warfare with a president making jokes about "we will bomb them at noon".

    I would like to make today's money in that era.....and know now what I didn't know then about women. Had that been the case then I would not have been at top of my career.
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