View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
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    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That is the thing these kids need to be taught. They teed to be taught how important it is to actually learn, and some of us have to make every effort to teach them.
    Well I admire your efforts. Your heart is in the right place, even though I think you're running a fool's errand because I don't think a lot of these kids are teachable.

    I'm all for you doing what you want as a volunteer to educate these kids on the value of an education. I'm NOT for any additional tax dollars being spent or funneled in to these schools, however.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Very VERY few kids actually WANT to go to school... true then and true now.
    Some kids are motivated to do well in school, some kids are motivated to hang outside 7-11 and smoke weed. It is what it is.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If my smart kid is in a class with your stupid kid, and the teacher has to slow down the curriculum to cater to your dumb kid, then your kid is dragging mine down.

    That's kinda what's going on, on a much grander scale.
    When my kid was in public school, they had different class levels. So the "cookie bakers", as my son called them (because that's all they did), were not in the same class with average kids or bright kids. And in any community there will always be a few brilliant kids who maybe should be at a special school, or home schooled. Nothing about having public schools prevents that. In my county, we have lots of public schools, and quite a few private school - take your pick.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No, I mean school choice. Why would you deny people such an important choice? I thought liberals were for liberty?
    I'm all for school choice, but not so much for that choice being made by affordability.

    In my state, we pretty much have school choice. You can chose for your children to go to the public school assigned to them, or you can chose for them to attend any other public school, as long as you fill out a waver form and provide transportation, or you can chose for your kids to go to private school.

    A friend of mine has three kids, one was apparently "too smart" for the public school and went to a private school, the other two went to private schools. The oldest, one of the two who attended public school, got a full ride scholarship to a prestigious private college, I never kept up with the other two kids.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    School isn't for everyone. Some people are more suited for physical labor, rather than thinking-type jobs. Somebody has to work at McDonalds. These are your people.
    I really don't know why you feel like you have a need to insult others.

    Anyhow, I would like to think that even people who work at McDonalds can read and do a little math.

    Heck, after graduating college, my first job was as a manager trainee for McDonalds.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    School choice is schools choosing.
    Sounds like distorted propaganda from someone with a dog in the fight.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I really don't know why you feel like you have a need to insult others.

    Anyhow, I would like to think that even people who work at McDonalds can read and do a little math.
    It wasn't my intention to insult anyone. Our economy needs people to work service jobs such as at McDonalds. Those aren't gonna be your Harvard grads - would be a bad allocation talent.

    Just like on a football team, you're gonna have your superstars, and you're gonna have your backups. Not an insult to say that someone needs to shovel the coal.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Sounds like distorted propaganda from someone with a dog in the fight.
    The propaganda being passed around is that people have freedom to choose without exposing the fact many of these schools either get to freely chose who will come through their doors or the schools that drop students that don't meet the bar. That is called school's choosing and that also further creates social stratification.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    When my kid was in public school, they had different class levels. So the "cookie bakers", as my son called them (because that's all they did), were not in the same class with average kids or bright kids. And in any community there will always be a few brilliant kids who maybe should be at a special school, or home schooled. Nothing about having public schools prevents that. In my county, we have lots of public schools, and quite a few private school - take your pick.
    Here thats no longer done because its presented (by teachers) as unfair-they say that being around high achieving kids will provide a roll model. Except it hasn't worked.

    I was lucky enough to be in honors classes. I teach a technical trade now, and these kids (18-25 generally) can't even read.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What I'm saying is there is a great deal more to this than schooling equals success. You're simply not going to change the situation all that much by making all kids go and learn the same things. Life just isn't that simple.
    So when kids turn 5, do we aptitude test them and pretend like the results will accurately reflect their abilities at age 18?

    Or do we assign kids to schools based upon family income or class stature?

    Do you think that there are groups of children who we shouldn't even bother to try to teach? And if so, at what age to we cull them out of the education system and send them to work camps?
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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