View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's vague on purpose, because people value different things. My reason for asking this question was because I watched a movie from 19985, and I'm struck by how much has changed.

    There are so many angles you could approach this from, and it depends on what matters most to you. Reagan vs Obama. Civil rights in 1985 vs today. The threat of communism vs the threat of terrorism. The economy in 1985 vs today. Pop culture. Social demographics.

    There are a lot of angles this can be discussed, just depends on what you value and find most important.
    Its hard not to answer such a poll based on personal position. But I hear ya. I didn't get any trickle down in the eighties, mine came in the nineties. Civil rights issues are certainly improved, but I'm a white guy, and others may see that differently. Communism was never a threat to me, but it played handsomely for the MIC. If your middle class or lower middle class, 30 years of residual Reaganomics hasn't been good for you. The threat of terrorism is certainly hugely worse for some regions, and only modestly worse here, at this moment anyway.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Today, obviously. The world is always getting better, violent crime is down, poverty is down, starvation is down, literacy is up etc, etc.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    1985 was a great year, in fact, probably my favorite year in my life. I was 23 then, out of college, newly working, not yet engaged, and just loving life. The late 1970s were a dark time for this country, and starting around 1982 or so, this country went from an international joke to the leader it once was. We young Americans were so optimistic about our future, and our country. Our government was better. People were happy. The economy was bouncing back, people could finally buy houses because mortgage rates were dropping. Even when scary things happened, there wasn't this paranoia that exists today about foreigners and Muslims and so on. Music was better, movies were better.

    Sure there are many technological and medical advances now. I'll make the argument that cell phones for sales people are 10000 times better than pulling over to a gas station and waiting in line behind 3 other sales people to use the phone. But guess what? It didn't bother me then because I didn't know better.

    Kids knew how to spell because we didn't have spell check. We all read. We knew how to actually talk because we didn't text all day long. We played outdoors instead of sitting on Xbox.

    Yeah, to me life was much better in 1985. Being an American was better in 1985. I'd go back to 1985 in a New York minute.

    (PS Studio 54 was a blast too).
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes I am.
    Nice, likewise, don't know why but figured you were younger.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    1985 was a great year, in fact, probably my favorite year in my life. I was 23 then, out of college, newly working, not yet engaged, and just loving life. The late 1970s were a dark time for this country, and starting around 1982 or so, this country went from an international joke to the leader it once was. We young Americans were so optimistic about our future, and our country. Our government was better. People were happy. The economy was bouncing back, people could finally buy houses because mortgage rates were dropping. Even when scary things happened, there wasn't this paranoia that exists today about foreigners and Muslims and so on. Music was better, movies were better.

    Sure there are many technological and medical advances now. I'll make the argument that cell phones for sales people are 10000 times better than pulling over to a gas station and waiting in line behind 3 other sales people to use the phone. But guess what? It didn't bother me then because I didn't know better.

    Kids knew how to spell because we didn't have spell check. We all read. We knew how to actually talk because we didn't text all day long. We played outdoors instead of sitting on Xbox.

    Yeah, to me life was much better in 1985. Being an American was better in 1985. I'd go back to 1985 in a New York minute.

    (PS Studio 54 was a blast too).



    That, pretty much. There are a lot of things I appreciate here in 2015, but in many ways 1985 was a better time to be an American.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Today, obviously. The world is always getting better, violent crime is down, poverty is down, starvation is down, literacy is up etc, etc.
    I like the positive attitude.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's interesting because in 1985, the Soviet Union was still around, but in only 5 years it was going to collapse. I wonder if people had a sense of that, if the writing was on the wall, so to speak, or if nobody really expected it was going to happen.

    Certainly, there must have been a sense that communism was in decline.
    I remember more an antagonistic attitude towards Russia which I often think stemmed more from competition than fear. We wanted to be the world superpower - and so did they.

    I never worried that a Russian was going to hurt me. In fact, in 1983, I studied abroad in Vienna for a semester, and we took a 10 day trip to Russia. It wasn't scary at all. I wouldn't consider going to many places now that we went then, including Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, and Greece. I wouldn't let my kids go to any of those places now.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd agree on everything except the music.

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    Duran Duran sucks. Tears For Fears was the bomb. So were The Cars, Billy Squier, 38 Special, OMFG I could go on and on.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's interesting because in 1985, the Soviet Union was still around, but in only 5 years it was going to collapse. I wonder if people had a sense of that, if the writing was on the wall, so to speak, or if nobody really expected it was going to happen.

    Certainly, there must have been a sense that communism was in decline.

    There was.

    In the Soviet Politburo. Which is one big reason a relative outsider like Gorbachev was able to be elected. He convinced the old guys in the Politburo that they needed a radically younger man who might bring in new ideas to save the U.S.S.R.

    They figured badly because Gorbachev was younger and that was about it. He had no real ideas besides being more open about the Soviet failings, being nicer to the west and hoping for one hell of a lot of economic aid.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Today, obviously. The world is always getting better, violent crime is down, poverty is down, starvation is down, literacy is up etc, etc.
    Not in the United States is poverty down. In 1985 it was 14%. In 2013 it was 14.5%.
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