View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You can feel sorry for the thugs of society all you want, but the fact is that they are where they are because of the choices they made. Jail is exactly where criminals belong.

    Now I do agree with you about one thing.... these people do hold the rest of society back when they are in jail. Which is why I am in favor of expanding the prison labor program.

    Folks who didn't graduate high school, who chose a life of crime.... they may not be suited to school, but at least they can be useful picking up trash along the highway or making license plates, so forth.

    Besides, the inexpensive labor is good for the economy.
    I am in favor of somthing else.

    My ideal is to have a college proffessor give these kids an education and basically do it for free.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I am in favor of somthing else.

    My ideal is to have a college proffessor give these kids an education and basically do it for free.
    Good luck. And do these kids even WANT an education?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Are we followers or are we leaders?
    I'd prefer that they experiment somewhere else first, before we take the chance of destroying the good things that we have. But I would be all for some state, other than mine, eliminating public schools and passing out vouchers. It would be an interesting experiment.

    We could look back to the history of public education in the US though. I literally know almost nothing about it, but it seems to me the reason that states started having public education, is because the private sector wasn't getting the job done. If the private sector was providing adequate education, then there would have been no reason for the states to start public schools.

    It's the same with roads and infrastructure (I actually consider education as part of infrastructure). Libertarians like to argue that our roads would be better if they were privatized, but the reality is that if private companies had created an adequate road system, we would have never bothered to create public roads.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Maybe that is because we are failing to inspire them.
    I love to hear your ideas to inspire these kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'd prefer that they experiment somewhere else first, before we take the chance of destroying the good things that we have. But I would be all for some state, other than mine, eliminating public schools and passing out vouchers. It would be an interesting experiment.

    We could look back to the history of public education in the US though. I literally know almost nothing about it, but it seems to me the reason that states started having public education, is because the private sector wasn't getting the job done. If the private sector was providing adequate education, then there would have been no reason for the states to start public schools.

    It's the same with roads and infrastructure (I actually consider education as part of infrastructure). Libertarians like to argue that our roads would be better if they were privatized, but the reality is that if private companies had created an adequate road system, we would have never bothered to create public roads.
    Woah.... who said anything about vouchers? School is a privilege, you pay for it.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Good luck. And do these kids even WANT an education?
    That is the thing these kids need to be taught. They teed to be taught how important it is to actually learn, and some of us have to make every effort to teach them.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Right, and what I'm saying is that PLENTY of opportunity already exists for disadvantaged youths. You ever hear the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink?"

    That rings true here.

    The opportunities exist. Some kids just choose not to take advantage of them. They choose not to graduate from high school. They choose to sell drugs or rob a liquor store. They end up in jail because of their choices.... not because of anything society has done.

    I'm not interested in holding back the kids that actually WANT to study and WANT to work hard so that we can cater to these kids who don't have that ambition.

    It's not fair to them.
    In all honesty, if those kids are dropping out, or if they are skipping classes, it's not holding anyone else back.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Culturally, yes. Geo-politically... I don't know. Economically, no. People in 1985 were much more optimistic, because they were busy destroying the future for the people of 2015. Hence why our economics currently suck. Americans are, on the whole, better people now. Our country is, however, more overtly ruled by the super rich, who used the economics and politics of the 1980s to consolidate their power and have been doing so ever since.

    So, thanks a lot, people of 1985, for creating all the problems that the people of 2015 will have to spend their lives solving.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    That is the thing these kids need to be taught. They teed to be taught how important it is to actually learn, and some of us have to make every effort to teach them.
    Ultimately, that has to come from them.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Good luck. And do these kids even WANT an education?
    Very VERY few kids actually WANT to go to school... true then and true now.
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