View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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  • 1985 was better overall

    31 14.09%
  • 2015 is better overall

    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Right, and what I'm saying is that PLENTY of opportunity already exists for disadvantaged youths. You ever hear the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink?"

    That rings true here.

    The opportunities exist. Some kids just choose not to take advantage of them. They choose not to graduate from high school. They choose to sell drugs or rob a liquor store. They end up in jail because of their choices.... not because of anything society has done.

    I'm not interested in holding back the kids that actually WANT to study and WANT to work hard so that we can cater to these kids who don't have that ambition.

    It's not fair to them.
    The key is trying to keep them in school, and schools given the proper resources to help high risks students. The latter is practically non existent.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You mean schools choosing better performing students.
    No, I mean school choice. Why would you deny people such an important choice? I thought liberals were for liberty?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The kid owes no motivation to a society that does not try to lead by example. That kids failings will become a shackle and weight that holds the rest of us back.
    You can feel sorry for the thugs of society all you want, but the fact is that they are where they are because of the choices they made. Jail is exactly where criminals belong.

    Now I do agree with you about one thing.... these people do hold the rest of society back when they are in jail. Which is why I am in favor of expanding the prison labor program.

    Folks who didn't graduate high school, who chose a life of crime.... they may not be suited to school, but at least they can be useful picking up trash along the highway or making license plates, so forth.

    Besides, the inexpensive labor is good for the economy.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The key is trying to keep them in school, and schools given the proper resources to help high risks students. The latter is practically non existent.
    School isn't for everyone. Some people are more suited for physical labor, rather than thinking-type jobs. Somebody has to work at McDonalds. These are your people.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Those same kids are failing now.
    Maybe that is because we are failing to inspire them.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No, I mean school choice. Why would you deny people such an important choice? I thought liberals were for liberty?
    School choice is schools choosing.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I would also point out that its not like terrorism was not a huge problem worldwide in 1985 either:

    1985 vs 2015-5718772437_c2b806db1b_z-jpg

    But the world in general is a much safer place today than in 1985:

    "You're the only person that decides how far you'll go and what you're capable of." - Ben Saunders (Explorer and Endurance Athlete)

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And if that place happened to be the heights of success would that be a problem.
    What I'm saying is there is a great deal more to this than schooling equals success. You're simply not going to change the situation all that much by making all kids go and learn the same things. Life just isn't that simple.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    School isn't for everyone. Some people are more suited for physical labor, rather than thinking-type jobs. Somebody has to work at McDonalds. These are your people.
    I don't disagree we need other options available for people. Trade schools where kids learn a trade or skill use to be a viable option. We seem to offer less of that now and try to prepackaged everyone into this college track which is unrealistic.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I'm not a liberal, so don't accuse me of murdering you, although I suspect a few might like to.

    No, productivity isn't bad, but under our current system, increasing productivity does little to increase the compensation of those who are below the 90th or 95th income percentile or so. It's been like this since the mid 1970s or so. Certainly reducing the number of jobs won't help this situation any, without something else changing in our economy.
    Which is a great argument for why throwing money at the lower/mid tier students is a waste, and why that money should be allocated to the best and brightest.... the ones who will go on to create new things, start their own businesses, come up with scientific advances, and generally grow the economy.

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