View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
  • 2015 is better overall

    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You will never pull everyone up to the same level without also pulling people down.
    No one said anything about everyone being on the "same level", just about pulling up people.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Things such as job opportunities and good educational opportunities are ways out of poverty. Just because the person lived in a poor family structure doesn't mean they are destined to chose a life of crime. Opportunity is the answer.
    Opportunity is the answer-and yet you would deny parents from choosing better performing schools. Wheres the opportunity there?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Things such as job opportunities and good educational opportunities are ways out of poverty. Just because the person lived in a poor family structure doesn't mean they are destined to chose a life of crime. Opportunity is the answer.
    Right, and what I'm saying is that PLENTY of opportunity already exists for disadvantaged youths. You ever hear the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink?"

    That rings true here.

    The opportunities exist. Some kids just choose not to take advantage of them. They choose not to graduate from high school. They choose to sell drugs or rob a liquor store. They end up in jail because of their choices.... not because of anything society has done.

    I'm not interested in holding back the kids that actually WANT to study and WANT to work hard so that we can cater to these kids who don't have that ambition.

    It's not fair to them.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No it's not. School isn't for everyone. Those kids could leave the 7-11, walk to the school, walk to class, and actually sit down and learn something if they CHOSE to.

    Nobody is holding that kid back. He CHOOSES to slack off. Society owes him nothing.
    The kid owes no motivation to a society that does not try to lead by example. That kids failings will become a shackle and weight that holds the rest of us back.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Opportunity is the answer-and yet you would deny parents from choosing better performing schools. Wheres the opportunity there?
    You mean schools choosing better performing students.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    No one said anything about everyone being on the "same level", just about pulling up people.
    Then you aren't really going to change much. You might have more going to school, but everyone will end up in the same place.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    No one said anything about everyone being on the "same level", just about pulling up people.
    If my smart kid is in a class with your stupid kid, and the teacher has to slow down the curriculum to cater to your dumb kid, then your kid is dragging mine down.

    That's kinda what's going on, on a much grander scale.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    So productivity is bad? Liberals kill me, lol.
    I'm not a liberal, so don't accuse me of murdering you, although I suspect a few might like to.

    No, productivity isn't bad, but under our current system, increasing productivity does little to increase the compensation of those who are below the 90th or 95th income percentile or so. It's been like this since the mid 1970s or so. Certainly reducing the number of jobs won't help this situation any, without something else changing in our economy.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The kid owes no motivation to a society that does not try to lead by example. That kids failings will become a shackle and weight that holds the rest of us back.
    Those same kids are failing now.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then you aren't really going to change much. You might have more going to school, but everyone will end up in the same place.
    And if that place happened to be the heights of success would that be a problem.
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