View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Sorry, the high school nerd in study hall at 6pm is not doing anything to hold back the kid skipping class to loiter outside the 7-11.
    By giving up on trying to teach the kids outside 7-11, that is akin to holding them back.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    About 80,000 Americans died as a result of communism in Korea and Vietnam.
    Neither of those wars were going on in 1985.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    By giving up on trying to teach the kids outside 7-11, that is akin to holding them back.
    No it's not. School isn't for everyone. Those kids could leave the 7-11, walk to the school, walk to class, and actually sit down and learn something if they CHOSE to.

    Nobody is holding that kid back. He CHOOSES to slack off. Society owes him nothing.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    By giving up on trying to teach the kids outside 7-11, that is akin to holding them back.
    Not if its not going to help anyway.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The great thing about private school is that you get to choose your school.

    As with anything private, competition makes it better.
    Can you point to any place in the world that privatizing school has resulted in a better educated society?
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Nostalgia used to be way better in 1985.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They offer scholarships to the brightest kids from poor backgrounds. What else do you expect them to do?
    So they take the tuition paid by rich students, and redistribute that to poor students?

    Why would they do that? To meet quotas?
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Neither of those wars were going on in 1985.
    Right, I was just correcting the record though. As to 1985 vs 2015, I work in IT so I definitely would rather be around today career wise. I was 9 in 1985 so I remember it. It wasn't bad back then but by a lot of measures we have it better now. Look at a Penny's or Sear's catalog from back then, most consumer items - particularly many clothes and all electronics - are cheaper today than then. The violent crime rate and murder rate is easily half today what it was then. Cities were much, much more violent places in 1985 than they are now. In many ways due to technology, better designed communities, and lower crime rates we are better off today than in 1985. I would suspect we will be able to say the same thing in another 30 years as well.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    People choose crime. Crime doesn't choose them.

    Poor children have plenty of opportunity to study hard and get a college scholarship. It's easier for a black kid from the inner city with a 4.0 GPA who has worked hard to get in to Harvard than it is for a Jewish kid from Boca Raton with a 4.0 to do the same.

    We already cater to the "disadvantaged." They just don't take advantage of it. Sorry, but more handouts are not the answer.

    Inner city crime has nothing to do with educational opportunities. It has to do with making poor personal choices, and bad family life.
    Things such as job opportunities and good educational opportunities are ways out of poverty. Just because the person lived in a poor family structure doesn't mean they are destined to chose a life of crime. Opportunity is the answer.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Can you point to any place in the world that privatizing school has resulted in a better educated society?
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