View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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    31 14.09%
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    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Again, in what way are they judging the weak as "undesirable?"

    How about some specific examples instead of vague blanket statements.
    I made my statements specifically to address your comment that you are against the notion of underacheavers holding the successful people back.

    My problem is that I hold a very different viewpoint. Successful people should not be complaining about underachievers holding other people back. They should do everything possible to pull everyone up, to inspire everyone to work for the good of all.

    They way I see it, we rise or fall as a group.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    If I had kids in private school, I would be absolutely against privatization of our school system. First off, I wouldn't want the "trash" from public schools invading my kid's private school (assuming that vouchers or something else made it affordable for them). If you took the student body from a failing public school and swapped them for the kids in the finest private school, nothing would change except for the name of the schools. It's not actually the name of the school, or the word "public/private", or the building that makes a difference, it's the families of the kids that makes a difference.

    What would happen is that the price and thus cost of most private schools would increase (over the voucher amount) to effectively shut out those undesirable public school kids, and we would end up with pretty much the same system that we already have, except at a higher price.
    The great thing about private school is that you get to choose your school.

    As with anything private, competition makes it better.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I made my statements specifically to address your comment that you are against the notion of underacheavers holding the successful people back.

    My problem is that I hold a very different viewpoint. Successful people should not be complaining about underachievers holding other people back. They should do everything possible to pull everyone up, to inspire everyone to work for the good of all.

    They way I see it, we rise or fall as a group.
    You will never pull everyone up to the same level without also pulling people down.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The great thing about private school is that you get to choose your school.

    As with anything private, competition makes it better.
    Only if you have the money.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I made my statements specifically to address your comment that you are against the notion of underacheavers holding the successful people back.

    My problem is that I hold a very different viewpoint. Successful people should not be complaining about underachievers holding other people back. They should do everything possible to pull everyone up, to inspire everyone to work for the good of all.

    They way I see it, we rise or fall as a group.
    Sorry, the high school nerd in study hall at 6pm is not doing anything to hold back the kid skipping class to loiter outside the 7-11.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's why we offer scholarships to the brightest kids from poor families.

    Being able to send your kids to a good private school is an incentive for people to work harder and be productive. I'm not in favor of removing that incentive. I'm in favor of pouring gasoline on it and ratcheting up the flames. We need more productivity, and less sucking at the government tit.
    If all employees today became 10% more productive and nothing else changed, then they would receive no more compensation for their efforts, as a matter of fact compensation would probably fall as employers would need 10% fewer employees.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Only if you have the money.
    Then work hard and earn some money.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    If all employees today became 10% more productive and nothing else changed, then they would receive no more compensation for their efforts, as a matter of fact compensation would probably fall as employers would need 10% fewer employees.
    So productivity is bad? Liberals kill me, lol.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Communism was always hanging over our heads then as a threat. But more Americans died because of terrorism than died as a result of communism in my lifetime.

    Life was simpler back then. People were less paranoid. We had real fun.
    About 80,000 Americans died as a result of communism in Korea and Vietnam.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Only if you have the money.
    Education can be free or cost a great deal. Schooling on the other hand, always comes with a cost.

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