View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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  • 1985 was better overall

    31 14.09%
  • 2015 is better overall

    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    What? I was speaking much more generally than that. Although private schools don't exactly help to provide equal opportunity.
    They offer scholarships to the brightest kids from poor backgrounds. What else do you expect them to do?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    In what way are the strong harming the weak?
    The strong harm the weak by judging the weak as "undesirable".
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    While we send the rest off to private prisons.
    We send CRIMINALS to prisons.... which is exactly where they belong.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And private schools do that?
    Social stratification does that. Private schools add to social stratification.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The strong harm the weak by judging the weak as "undesirable".
    Again, in what way are they judging the weak as "undesirable?"

    How about some specific examples instead of vague blanket statements.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We send CRIMINALS to prisons.... which is exactly where they belong.
    One of the best ways to deter crime is educating people so they can become productive. If we fail, our society pays a price. It is necessary to better our schools for the poor, rather than further stratify them.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Our best and brightest will always achieve, at least if they don't get lost in a culture of failure. Regardless of that, we still need the vast majority of our citizens to be reasonably well educated (at least they should be able to read and do a little math), that is assuming that you don't desire to have an undereducated workforce which would hamper business growth.
    Our best and brightest will always achieve? How about pouring gasoline on that fire and helping them reach new heights?

    I want to incentivize people who will put those resources to actual use, not people who will ditch school and hang out outside 7-11. I don't care about those people.

    If you say our best and brightest will "always achieve," as if there is nothing that can be done to further them along, isn't it equally true that our middling and underachievers will always underachieve?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I can never shake the feeling that people that want things like public schooling are quitters.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because they're not free?
    If I had kids in private school, I would be absolutely against privatization of our school system. First off, I wouldn't want the "trash" from public schools invading my kid's private school (assuming that vouchers or something else made it affordable for them). If you took the student body from a failing public school and swapped them for the kids in the finest private school, nothing would change except for the name of the schools. It's not actually the name of the school, or the word "public/private", or the building that makes a difference, it's the families of the kids that makes a difference.

    What would happen is that the price and thus cost of most private schools would increase (over the voucher amount) to effectively shut out those undesirable public school kids, and we would end up with pretty much the same system that we already have, except at a higher price.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    One of the best ways to deter crime is educating people so they can become productive. If we fail, our society pays a price. It is necessary to better our schools for the poor, rather than further stratify them.
    People choose crime. Crime doesn't choose them.

    Poor children have plenty of opportunity to study hard and get a college scholarship. It's easier for a black kid from the inner city with a 4.0 GPA who has worked hard to get in to Harvard than it is for a Jewish kid from Boca Raton with a 4.0 to do the same.

    We already cater to the "disadvantaged." They just don't take advantage of it. Sorry, but more handouts are not the answer.

    Inner city crime has nothing to do with educational opportunities. It has to do with making poor personal choices, and bad family life.

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