View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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  • 1985 was better overall

    31 14.09%
  • 2015 is better overall

    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I believe that in order to make our country stronger, we need underperformers to not hold high achievers back.

    I'm not interested in forcing an education down the throats of people who don't really want it, or aren't able/willing to do something with that education.

    I would rather those resources be spent giving the best possible education to our best and brightest.
    The strong shall not harm the weak. That is my principle.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not American but musically it is 1985.
    Please. One Direction is so much cooler than New Kids on the Block.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    What? I was speaking much more generally than that. Although private schools don't exactly help to provide equal opportunity.
    Because they're not free?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    The 80's seem like a badass time, to me. From an outsider's perspective. Just seemed like an era where men were men, people had more balls.

    The 90's too, to a lesser extent.

    The 70's seemed like a time of weakness.

    Today, everyone is a pansy. Everyone is so politically correct. Just straight up kicking ass is no longer done. Seems like you need to apologize for being good at something these days.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The strong shall not harm the weak. That is my principle.
    In what way are the strong harming the weak?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Please. One Direction is so much cooler than New Kids on the Block.
    They both suck?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's not really what I meant by social stratification. In capitalism, some people rise to the top, and some people sink to the bottom. That, in itself, isn't necessarily bad.... so long as productivity is rewarded.
    I think the issue with social stratification and privatizing of schools is that kids from poor families would only be able to go to the cheap schools, and kids from wealthier families would tend to go to higher priced schools (even more so than that happens today). So kids of wealthy people would have more advantages (than they already do) and kids of poor people would have even more disadvantages.

    You seem to be confusing social stratification with meritocracy. I'm all for meritocracy, but not for having a system where it's harder (than it already is) for those at the bottom to climb.

    Education should always be about the students, not the wealth of the families that they come from.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I think the issue with social stratification and privatizing of schools is that kids from poor families would only be able to go to the cheap schools, and kids from wealthier families would tend to go to higher priced schools (even more so than that happens today). So kids of wealthy people would have more advantages (than they already do) and kids of poor people would have even more disadvantages.

    You seem to be confusing social stratification with meritocracy. I'm all for meritocracy, but not for having a system where it's harder (than it already is) for those at the bottom to climb.

    Education should always be about the students, not the wealth of the families that they come from.
    That's why we offer scholarships to the brightest kids from poor families.

    Being able to send your kids to a good private school is an incentive for people to work harder and be productive. I'm not in favor of removing that incentive. I'm in favor of pouring gasoline on it and ratcheting up the flames. We need more productivity, and less sucking at the government tit.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Please. One Direction is so much cooler than New Kids on the Block.
    Neither one is cool.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I believe that in order to make our country stronger, we need underperformers to not hold high achievers back.

    I'm not interested in forcing an education down the throats of people who don't really want it, or aren't able/willing to do something with that education.

    I would rather those resources be spent giving the best possible education to our best and brightest.
    Our best and brightest will always achieve, at least if they don't get lost in a culture of failure. Regardless of that, we still need the vast majority of our citizens to be reasonably well educated (at least they should be able to read and do a little math), that is assuming that you don't desire to have an undereducated workforce which would hamper business growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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