View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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  • 1985 was better overall

    31 14.09%
  • 2015 is better overall

    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I would say 2015 is considerably better for me, if for no other reason than I don't crap my pants several times a week now.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's not really what I meant by social stratification. In capitalism, some people rise to the top, and some people sink to the bottom. That, in itself, isn't necessarily bad.... so long as productivity is rewarded.
    It's bad when people at the top decide to close off the opportunities to those below them.
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    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Why wouldn't it be? That is where privatization was first practiced. If you are looking for further stratification of our society, privatizing our schools will be a hit with you. People complain how our test scores are being brought down by the poor/disadvantaged and give lip service to wanting to change that trend but then talk about privatization that exacerbates the problem. At least you're honest. Not many people would agree with you though. In order to make our country stronger, we need to better educate everyone.
    I believe that in order to make our country stronger, we need underperformers to not hold high achievers back.

    I'm not interested in forcing an education down the throats of people who don't really want it, or aren't able/willing to do something with that education.

    I would rather those resources be spent giving the best possible education to our best and brightest.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    It's bad when people at the top decide to close off the opportunities to those below them.
    And private schools do that?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Is Chile really a good laboratory for what would happen here? Anyway, is social stratification inherently a bad thing? Seems like a necessary component of capitalism to me.
    Didn't seem to work out so well for India, particularly if you happen to be in that bottom strata.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I would say 2015 is considerably better for me, if for no other reason than I don't crap my pants several times a week now.
    That's a plus, for sure.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    I am not American but musically it is 1985.
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you're against free trade?
    I'm against those trade agreements. Just because the word "free" is in front of it doesn't make it so.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And private schools do that?
    What? I was speaking much more generally than that. Although private schools don't exactly help to provide equal opportunity.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I believe that in order to make our country stronger, we need underperformers to not hold high achievers back.

    I'm not interested in forcing an education down the throats of people who don't really want it, or aren't able/willing to do something with that education.

    I would rather those resources be spent giving the best possible education to our best and brightest.
    While we send the rest off to private prisons.

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